Yes, what would Binny know? He's only the former PM and one of the most experienced, powerful and influential politicians in Israel.

Name calling? Responding in kind is more like it.

And now I am a Nazi? Wow, sieg heil!

Still waiting for your explanation about the super powered jet fuel...

Your responses are funny though!

um, the problem is not that anybody is or is not 'saying' that the 'steel melted', but rather that it DID melt.

This introduces obvious problems, since the energy to melt steel is nowhere near present in the official conspiracy theory.

Thanks for providing more substantial support of the high-fiving Israelis. Your first one was completely support-free, seeming no more valid than your standard "Angelina disses Jen" claim. At least the ABC news article digs deeper and offers some quotes from the FBI.

However, I don't see these 5 Israelis as a smoking gun that indicates the Bush Admin (note I didn't say Bush specifically) scripted 9/11.

These men were arrested. Two of them we KNOW were Mossad, the company did close up and leave within days. Draw your own conclusions, I am sure that you will.

That's just it. There isn't enough here for a reasonable mind to draw any firm conclusions. Sure, one can entertain hypotheses, and suppose which ones are more likely than others. But it's all complete supposition, which is crucial to remember.

And if you read his article, it's pretty plain, that everyone "suffers" from this and the knife cuts both ways Paul, if I am biased, then so are you. The trick is to be aware of our biases and act accordingly.

Exactly. And what I'm saying is that, if you consider your pieces of evidence to be definitive proof of anything, then you've got some biases that you clearly aren't aware of.

My bias on 911 was shock and disgust, and yes I was pissed at Bin Laden. The difference between you and I is that the mountain of evidence shifted my position.

Let me clarify this difference a bit. My bias on 9/11 was that this was definitely an inside job. That was my first, immediate reaction when I saw the attacks. Since then, having discussed 9/11 ad infinitum, as I'm sure you have, I have determined that my own judgment had been clouded by deep contempt for US foreign policy and the Bush Administration, which enabled me to believe in things that are very likely untrue.

I am getting tired of the "incompetance" argument. How could Bush lower taxes, he's too stoopid, how could Bush fight a war in Iraq, he's too stoopid, how could Bush fly a plane, he is too stoopid. The attack on America that day was a supra-national attack, not purely a domestic one. Bush is a bit player, an actor, a dupe, a patsy.

Are you suggesting that it's no more difficult to script a false-flag attack on your own country in front of millions of witnesses and have everyone keep the secret, than it is to lower taxes? Than it is to completely botch a futile war? Than it is to fly a plane? Try and see, the tenuous connections you hold up as definitive proof undermine your own argument.

I'm not talking about Bush personally, who in all likelihood did not know in advance about the 9/11 attacks, regardless of the involvement in our government. I'm talking about his administration, which has fucked up every single thing they've taken a hand to over the past 7+ years. If those people scripted 9/11, it would stand as their only success (and a pretty awesome one at that) amidst a track record of pure failure. The fact that you can't seriously consider this question is indicative of your bias.

Do you think that I believe that Bush did it? Personally?

No. And I never suggested you did. Put down the straw.

Thank you for the polite and well reasoned response. The attack on 911 will go down in history, if there is one, as one of the most seminal events of the last 100 years. And as such a new investigation is demanded. Discussion, is required. Both sides must be heard, not ridiculed and attacked, that is not the way to the truth, whatever it is.

I don't "know" what happened that day. I will admit that. There are many problems with alternative explanations for the events of that day. I know that very well.

Our problem is that the investigation was, I think we can both agree, inadequate. Facts, are thin on the ground, and the WTC steel was sent to China.

As for "our" meaning the "truthers'" investigation, we are hampered, almost crippled by our inability to suponea, to read classified material (and everything is now classified), or to examine other evidence in a professional effective manner.

Having said that though, there are so many problems and indeed physical impossibilities in the official version, that I simply cannot believe it.

And no, a false flag attack is orders of magnitude more difficult than lowering taxes, but he, along with his people, do run America, which I am sure is a little complicated. And they have been brilliant, absolutely brilliant, at shutting down the constitution, the apparatus of government, and controlling the press and the debate. I think that they were superb at getting their mission accomplished. They got Afghanistan, they got Iraq, and yes, it was a bit more than they could chew, but they are still there, the bases are built, and the oil is flowing. Bush has also succeeded in making himself a virtual dictator, (see nspd 51, the "unitary executive" an the signing statement inter alia)

The PATRIOT Act, a 1000 page piece of legislation, was tabled about a month after the attacks. That's mighty fast law writing. They were ready. They knew.

All they needed was a "new Pearl harbor" and they got that. LIHOP or MIHOP, for me that is about the sole remaining question.

The rice though! what about the rice in the pot?! You forgot that part-

For those who would like to learn more about the events of 9/11, I suggest the book listed above. See review here:

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8374