Site Presented By
Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
"Government is not one monolithic entity but an intertwined massive set of competing interests..." therefore it's possible for various people in different and disparate branches of the government and private business to function as a monolithic entity and pull off a perfect coup and cover it up completely?
Get a job, Owen.
Extremely well said, and thank you. Reason, self-examination, the practice of sound judgment. One who has consistently been misled and lied to may question that the official story is true in all of its details without buying into a conspiracy theory.
I will add this regarding conspiracies, since I have not seen it stated so far. In general, I doubt the existence of longlasting conspiracies, for one simple reason: People are lousy at keeping secrets. The bigger the conspiracy, the sooner it is likely to collapse.
I do not think John Kennedy was assassinated by one marksman shooting from the Texas Book Depository (how did he manage to shoot our President in the front of the head?), and I rather think that at least some of those who witness UFOs are seeing something not explicable in conventional terms. But in neither case do I feel compelled to assume a vast top-level conspiracy to hide the truth. Sheer human incompetence argues against the likelihood.
It's pronounced "trooth", do you have a speech impediment?
Brilliant point by point refutation!
While you are it, what is the difference between the aviation fuel of today and the aviation fuel from the 70's, and how much more "powerful" is it?
Just curious.
And by calling me names you just display your complete lack of capacity for rational argument.
I would also add one more reason to reject conspiracy theories in general: once you accept the premise of an all-powerful conspiracy, you lock yourself into a closed universe where supporting evidence proves the conspiracy, lack of evidence proves a coverup, and contrary evidence proves how pervasive the coverup really is. In other words, the only evidence that counts is that which supports the already-postulated conspiracy; everything that doesn't accomodate it has to be twisted or ignored to fit. Anyone with any comon sense can see that this is not a rational process, and therefore can't be trusted.
Arguing about whether or not two skyscrapers succumbed to "Arab terrorists" and collapsed at near free-fall speeds right on their own footprints is boring and pointless.
Photos like the one of a girder clearly cut by thermite or video showing thermite pouring out of the WTC must have been Photoshopped by "Arab terrorists" flying around on their magic carpets, right? It's as dumb as arguing that JFK's head snapped back due to one magic bullet.
WTF is wrong with you? The "official story" is nonsense and has been since 9/11/01. The shoddy cover-up (Oops. I meant "investigation".), the rush to recycle forensic evidence offshore, et cetera, et cetera -- yet a certain percentage of the population will believe whatever Fox News and CNN feeds them because the horror of more plausible explanations is too painful to grasp and accept.
"Because we all interpret images according to our biases." Farhad, feel free to refuse assignments that will find you painted as a jackass.
why did he need Dick Cheney holding his hand during his closed testimony? This subject pisses me off. Refuse to accept any lie of this size.
Another writer had mentioned WTC7's collapse being reported well ahead of time by the BBC. The satellite image fades as someone realizes that the BBC reporter is reading news that hasn't quite happened yet... that the WTC7 is still visible over the shoulder of the reporter...
Bush and Cheney knew what was scheduled to take place. So did those five Mossad/IDF agents arrested on 9/11/01 after being witnessed high-fiving one another while videotaping the WTC collapse. You remember the ones that alleged worked for that front company based in New Jersey, the one whose owner fled the country (back to Israel) leaving in a big, big rush.
I mean, honestly, how large a mountain of details would you need to see before you accepted that 9/11/01 was scripted? Since waterboarding isn't torture according to Bush the Lesser, let's give Dick Cheney a little Gitmo vacation and see what kind of pertinent information we can extract from him.
I see a great deal of analysis by people who aren't engineers, and I see stuff by engineer's out of their fields. In fact,t he hardest person to deal with as an engineer is another engineer or scientist from a different physical science. You have enough knowledge to get yourself into trouble, but you don't have the day to day experience to show you where your assumptions are wrong.
The way the buildings fell and the mechanisms behind their fall are consistent with standard processes. You don't need thermite to bring down those buildings. And, you have to consider that the WTC was built on the edge of 1970's technology which will make such buildings more vulnerable to unexpected stimuli.
But, people will believe what they want to believe when the simplest answer is not good enough. If there is a conspiracy, then one would have to give the US government a ton of credit for pulling it off and keeping it quiet. I don't have that kind of faith in our government.
With this article by Farhad Manjoo, Salon plumbs new depths in shoddy journalism. Farhad sets up a flimsy straw man and proceeds to knock it down. No mention of the PNAC. No mention of the Mossad agents caught red-handed filming the collapse posing as employees of Urban Moving Systems, a company even the government admits was a Mossad front. No mention of the lack of air defense or the stock trading irregularities. No mention of the magically collapsing WTC7, just moments after Larry Silverstein said it was to be "pulled". Above all, no mention of the extensive research that has been painstakingly done by people like David Ray Griffin. No, 9/11 truthers are just a bunch of hysterical people looking at photographs. Really, I would expect an article of this quality in the National Enquirer, not Salon.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
