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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 12:00 AM

Once and for all, proof that Macs are cheaper than PCs

Let's put to rest the myth that an Apple computer will set you back more than a Windows PC. In fact, it'll cost you less.

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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 08:49 PM

basic intellectual dishonesty

My last two comments were, uh, stupid. Or stupid sounding. I have always said, let people who like PCs use PCs and let people who like Macs use Macs. I was in earnest, and I sound like a tool.

But this post was just totally dishonest.

"That BMW is cheaper than a Ford."

"Really?!?

"Well, the BMW has higher resale value, so..."

"That painting by Picasso is cheaper than a Thomas Kincaid."

"Really?!?

"Well, the Picasso has higher resale value, so..."

"That $1,000,000 dollar house is cheaper than that $200,000 house."

"Really?!?

"Well, the $1,000,000 house has a higher resale value, so..."

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 08:50 PM

I don't buy it!

Perhaps I would believe Mr. Marjoo if I were not looking at a one year old iMac with 25 vertical lines running from teh top to the bottom of the display. In all my years with other products, I have never seen a monitor fail so early. This thing is junk.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 08:52 PM

Sigh...

1. I don't sell my old PCs. I repurpose them and afaik I can't with a Mac.

2. Games.

3. Let's say we follow your advice and purchase a Mac for eventual resell. Increased market share will only reduce the "trade-in" value of my soon-to-be replaced Mac, which invalidates the entire offer.

Mac's are great. I'm even suggesting that if we do get a laptop for my grandparents for Christmas we should seriously consider a Mac, but to suggest that it's cheaper to buy a Mac than a PC is just ludicrous. The initial investment is significantly bigger for Macs, and that's all that really matters except for the few who are willing to append footnotes like your article.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 08:53 PM

....I can't imagine.

I simply cannot imagine buying a computer based on resale value. Or on logo. It seems inherently absurd to me. I buy and operate the cheapest machine that meets my needs.

Macs don't meet my needs, because you pay more for less machine. And I absolutely loathe the UI with a deep and abiding passion. I know it's secretly linux now, but it's linux that *acts like a mac*.

No way I'm going to pay more for a gimpy machine with a one-button mouse that costs a fortune to upgrade just because it's white and shiny.

I'm glad Apple is around, I'm glad that it drives competition and innovation. Maybe its chewy linux center will convince Adobe to make the software I need in a linux version so I can punt windows.

But buying a mac is not like buying a beemer, and it's not like buying a ford. It's like buying a dodge neon with a snazzy paint job and a souped-up sound system. Looks real nice in the driveway, but it won't accelerate uphill and the blind spot will drive you nuts.

Also, well, you know, if your machine has a lower resale value, it's less likely to be stolen and sold on ebay.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 09:02 PM

I love your blog as well, but this really was quite ridiculous.

Many people have already made very good points, but I'll go ahead and try to group them in to one post (and maybe add a few more of my own):

1) An admittedly technically inferior product sells for more money initially, and will later resale for more money... this proves to me its value? To me that just says that the same fanboys who get tricked by new Apple products are also tricked in the same way into buying used Apple products. And if a resale PC really is so "bogged down with spyware"(more on this later), then a complete formatting should do the trick to cleaning it back up. Who doesn't do a complete format before selling/giving away an old computer of any kind anyway? Ugh... I mean, in both cases you admit that the PC has better specs and is cheaper... but the value comes in resale? Really?

2) How many people resell their computers? I know to me, personally, one of the great advantages of owning a PC is that I very rarely have to resell or get rid of a whole box. I can upgrade bit by bit. The ram one year, the graphics card the next, and eventually grab a new mobo/processor combo. I very rarely get rid of my HDDs (just my really old ones that are tiny, but hey my old 80gig is still quite useful) and I'm still using the same DVD+-RW drive I got... oh man, I dunno how long ago.

3) Spyware? Viruses? Yes. I agree with you here... to a point. That is why I recommend Apple to people like my grandmother, or my way technophobic exgirlfriend (not an implication that all girls are technophobic, just that she was). They are easier to maintain for the type of people that get tricked by spam email, look up porn in weird places, download "desktop buddies", screen savers, or who knows what. But anyone with any competent computer skills should have no problem avoiding viruses and spyware on a windows platform. About the only place I can think of someone with reasonable intelligence actually getting a virus is from downloading pirated software.....

4) You're comparing HPs to Macs. I... I don't have anything more to say. This will go back to my grandma/exgirlfriend argument I guess. But hey, lets throw my dad in there too, who just doesn't feel like building a computer, and is a casual user with no need for up to the date specs (doesn't play games, or run CS3, maya, or anything like that). Hell though, I dunno why people like that buy new computers more than every 6 or more years really. A 6 year old machine should have no problem browsing the internet and running MS Office. There's certainly no reason for someone like that to update their computer every year.

5) Serious users are really the point (or, my point at least). I'm with you that my grandma and ex should definitely have Macs, and that hey maybe my Dad could have one too. But anyone who's serious should have a PC given the current market. The best graphics card you can get in a Mac Pro is the 7300GT... really? And this computer with a 2.66 dual core and the aforementioned graphics card, with only 1gig of ram (in the form of 2x512 sticks), and no monitor is $2,500?!?? That's ridiculous. It's not even worth the time to look up how much it would cost to build a machine that destroys that one on NewEgg. I can tell you right now: it'd be CONSIDERABLY cheaper, especially if you keep in mind that most (even just reasonably advanced) users out there probably already have a 100+gig HDD and a DVD+-RW drive that they wont need to replace.

But again, that is an advanced user. And I will agree with you that those who are completely technically uninformed would be better off with a Mac, and that those who are lazy and can afford to have someone else build them a computer might be better off grabbing one because they're pretty and they wont need to do anything to intense. My problem is, you never made that distinction at all in your post. You imply that everyone should have a Mac and that they're inherently more valuable because people get tricked in resale the same way they get tricked during the initial sale.... and that's just ridiculous.

~S_R_

Aaaaand, I'll go ahead and throw in all the cliche stuff I tried to avoid, but I just gotta say:

- I'm a graphic designer currently employed by a well known (within the industry at least) motion graphics firm.

- I'm not an Apple hater. I have a Macbook Pro, and an iPhone, and I love them both and am glad I can afford such luxuries, but I'd never kid myself as to think I was actually getting some amazing better value from them.

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