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Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:00 AM

A rocky Windows trek for Apple's Safari browser

Flaws in the license, flaws in the code.

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Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:29 PM

Why would Apple start a new 'browser war'?

I'm a huge Mac fan and I use Safari most of the time on my Mac, but I don't understand why Apple would be trying to push Safari onto Windows. Is Apple just trying to gain positive favor for the Apple brand and eventually lure people over to Apple PCs? Just doesn't seem like a very effective strategy, and clearly with the always-corrupt Windows environment that Microsoft itself can barely keep control of, why would Apple want to get its hands dirty like this?

Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:30 PM

It does randomly freeze, particularly on pages with embedded PDF

It's also sensitive to being left running for extended amounts of time and tends to bog down. Though it is zippier than FF and it's somewhat more compatible to Acid3 test standard. On the whole I do wish that FF hadn't garnered so much attention because it's not the best out there and as a result some products like Opera or Safari tend to be better yet lag in the add-on's department.

Also please note that Secunia isn't perfect either. It reports a later version of Real Player as being not as up to date as the prior version. Which is not correct, obviously. It also has a very narrow scope of applications that it checks overall.

Thursday, March 27, 2008 01:31 PM

I generally like it

I use the windows safari here at work, but it's still very much a windows program in feel. A very long way from being a recognizable "port" of my home mac experience.

Thursday, March 27, 2008 02:06 PM

Why Windows on Safari / Only One Real Rock

nadador: Partly to push for web standards (which helps keep Microsoft from colonizing the web by tying it to proprietary technologies), partly for mindshare, but probably mostly because Apple gets a kickback from Google by including a Google search field in Safari. Mozilla makes their income (about $60M last year, I believe) from this.

Farhad: really, the only seriously rocky thing here is Apple's rather obnoxiously aggressive way they've pushed this out. They need either to make the "Ignore this update" option more discoverable or introduce *new* software like Safari unchecked as a default.

Thursday, March 27, 2008 02:32 PM

A pox on Apple and Microsoft both

This is one of the reasons why I stick with FireFox.

Friday, March 28, 2008 09:08 AM

Standards

Safari is the least standards compliant major browser out there. What Apple wants is for web developers to have to accomodate them, because Safari has largely been ignored until now. iPhone started to change that, this stunt will possibly change it some more.

Likely they are doing all this in the hope that their browser will eventually work on almost all sites without them having to worry about standards. For all the progress they have made in the last 5 years, this is still a company that has never felt all that obligated to adhere to their own standards(see "backward compatibility, lack thereof, Apple"), let alone anybody else's.

Friday, March 28, 2008 09:26 AM

If anyone from Apple is reading this

Every time that giant ad featuring Justin Long towers over the New York Times web site and ruins my ability to scroll down the news I want to read, I vow that I will never use an Apple product for the rest of my life.

It does not help that they put a link at the bottom of the ad to shrink it back to normal size.

It makes me hate the company, and I don't normally feel that way.

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