come on now, have a little courtesy.

Right about the time you start to get the process sorta figured out, without warning it will re-program itself to all new settings.

I'd love to see a woman try to turn on and bring this doll to simulated orgasm.

men are easy, touch us and we're off.

I think this might give women some appreciation of how difficult it is for us men to get our women going.

Then again, the women will just figure out a way to blame men for this, wash their hands of the whole thing, and go back to their judgemental, unforgiving thinking.

I'm afraid I didn't do well with second order mixed partial differential equations that are human female sexuality. It's barely worth the workshop, internship, certificate program and continuing Ed.

Then again, maybe its creators weren't aiming for practical experience or anything realistic. Uh, first clue: its gonzo-boobs.

Maybe women from a different, bygone, era sat there silently while a clueless, sweaty man tried to manipulate her body parts to orgasm, but women these days either 1) manipulate their own body parts, 2) use their partner's body to manipulate their own body parts, and/or 3) ask their partner to take specific action to bring about orgasm. Sit back, relax, don't put too much pressure on yourselves, boys. Witnessing a particular woman's orgasm is like entering her inner sanctum. You won't gain admittance if you blame, get defensive, or silently take notes in your head for the dynamite post you'll bang out in Salon tomorrow. ;)

It's ironic that this doll's creator purports to educate a person in what moves will produce an orgasm. Everyone's path to climax is different, and the only way to sexual success is communication -- the very thing this machine does not do.

Witnessing a particular woman's orgasm is like entering her inner sanctum. You won't gain admittance if you blame, get defensive, or silently take notes in your head for the dynamite post you'll bang out in Salon tomorrow. ;)

Women have sanctity? When was the last time a woman treated a man like a divine being for that matter?

Get off it. Many women are mostly skanks and hos these days.

Most don't even respect themselves enough to pick a decent man to bang.

Sorry, but sanctity went the way of the chastity belt.

plays too hard to "get"

"Most women are skanks and ho's" sez Mr. Brightstar.

And he wonders why he can't get a date?

Um, yeah, I'd be all over a guy who assumes I'm a skank.

"It's ironic that this doll's creator purports to educate a person in what moves will produce an orgasm. Everyone's path to climax is different, and the only way to sexual success is communication -- the very thing this machine does not do."

Kyle didn't design the doll as an educational tool on orgasm, but as an example, call it a sketch, of an alternate user interface.

The machine does communicate-it communicates very well (albeit non-verbally :-) If you are doing the 'right' thing than feedback is nearly instant. Which offers an interesting lesson-providing negative feedback (ie. 'no, not there') is important. Moaning Lisa only tells you when you are doing something nice.

(for what it is worth-I speak with a tiny bit of authority on Lisa. I was the unnamed audience member :-)

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2007/10/moanin-and-maki.html

OTOH, unless something is actually uncomfortable, we don't tend to provide negative feedback to our partners. Maybe you are different, but my experience has communication limited to variations on 'that feels bad' and 'that feels good...really good.' I seldom if ever hear or say 'That isn't doing anything special for me.'

I would suggest that a good general practice at your workplace would be to NOT open any link entitled 'Meet Moaning Lisa, the orgasmic mannequin.' Just a thought.

A moan after a pleasurable act doesn't sound to me like good communication. A woman saying, "It's better when you put your finger here" is good communication. In fact, moaning by itself (and only after pleasure, never after negative sensations) is probably just the sort of selective communication of which BS65 is a victim.

... they want their readers back.

"Most women are skanks and ho's" sez Mr. Brightstar.

And he wonders why he can't get a date?

Most of the guys who think women are hos ARE getting it.

oh, and drop the comma on 'ho'.

That's called an 'apostrophe,' brutha.

Namely, that it's pointless to please a woman, so don't bother trying. Do something else besides sex for your entertainment. It'll last longer and mean more to the world. And unlike trying to relate to women, it's likely to work.

is where Moaning Lisa may have gotten her name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moaning_Lisa).

...if you are in a relationship where you dig each other and talk and are kind and sweet, all this shit takes care of itself. Women are not that complicated and men aren't that simple. The weird thing is some of the posts like Bukk63's "without warning it will re-program itself to all new settings" or brightstar65's "the women will just figure out a way to blame men for this, wash their hands of the whole thing, and go back to their judgemental, unforgiving thinking"--no wonder you guys have so much trouble. You fellas should think of women as being on the same team, not as an adversary. You're really missing out on a lot.

Okay, I submit that brightstar is a misongynistic pig, but in my own defense I'd like to mention that I was making a joke. Within the context of a story about an orgasmic mannequin I thought that would be clear enough, but perhaps I should have added a *snicker* or a "Just kidding!"

As for what I'm missing, well, you do an inspirational job of assuming and judging, but I'm afraid you don't have a clue.

Sweetheart. You can call us all the "bad" names you want. Truthfully, women may be more promiscuous than they were before, perhaps not. Possible changing mores of women aside, you'll still always suck in bed, because you have a horrible unattractive attitude and a blinding lack of self confidence that'd dry up any female. We have solutions for angry douchebags like you, and actually any guy who can't get us off easily. Toys. The guy I'm with is relieved when I get mine out, and we have a lot of fun with it. No need for his arm to fall off and no need for me to go without finishing.

I find this whole discourse pretty funny actually.