"Focus on the Family is on the wrong side of history."

Excellent. Couldn't agree more. In another few years, being against gay marriage is going to seem as antiquated and wrongheaded as being against inter-racial marriage. It will be a non-issue, ardently supported by a few backward-looking grandparents here and there.

Are you positing, Mr. Leonard, that anti-Prop 8 groups spent NOTHING trying to prevent the issue from passing?

I'd say that any group with an issue to support or oppose is going to be spending as much money as they can raise to achieve their goals. There is nothing nefarious about this.

A group that disbands, partly or wholey, after achieving their objective is also acting pretty reasonably. The issue passed, they don't need as many workers. This isn't some harbinger of "social doom" because they backed an issue you didn't like.

We don't know from what you write here if the anti-Prop 8 groups spent a similar amount, or more, or less, or if they are also forced to lay off some workers now that the election is over. I might add, these are bleak economic times for non-profit groups, and many of them are experiencing layoffs, with no connection to this issue.

In saying that Focus on the Family is "on the wrong side of history" or whatever, I hope you are taking into account that every other anti-gay marriage issue on the ballot Nov. 4 also went the same way (against gay marriage) and that the only states that have gay marriage OR civil unions are those were they were imposed on the citizens of that state by judicial decree, and not with a popular vote.

Whether this is the wrong or right side of history, only time will tell. However, one thing is certain: it is quite obviously the prevailing opinion of the majority of Americans TODAY that marriage should remain a relationship between one man and one woman.

It's pretty clear from the exit polling that younger people overwhelming voted against Prop 8, so it's sensible and logical to conclude that FOTF and other hate organizations are on the wrong side of history.

Gay marriage isn't being imposed on anyone, no one is being forced to marry someone of the same sex. What is being imposed is the irrational whims of myth-worshippers like FOTF, those Catholic bishops, the jackass mormon leadership, and other shitheads that want their insupportable prejudices imposed by law on other people. Incidentally, all of their advertising were lies, so people voted for a lie. They couldn't have won the popular vote without lying. The polls before their advertising prove that. Hopefully someday you can have your personal civil rights voted upon, and lose, so that you'll know how evil this was. Judging by your letter, it looks likely that you supported that outcome. Rights should not be subject to vote, it's obscene, and the people who support this garbage are worse than obscene.

--Ron

Laurel sez: In saying that Focus on the Family is "on the wrong side of history" or whatever, I hope you are taking into account that every other anti-gay marriage issue on the ballot Nov. 4 also went the same way (against gay marriage) and that the only states that have gay marriage OR civil unions are those were they were imposed on the citizens of that state by judicial decree, and not with a popular vote.

The majority of younger voters always votes liberal/democrat.

Obviously it doesn't translate into older life.

Am I the first person to point this out to you?

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of bigots.

"Gay marriage isn't being imposed on anyone, no one is being forced to marry someone of the same sex."

Riiiiight.

And you entitle your post "Intellectual blowhards"....that's pretty funny.

For you, JMCDSF... first of all voting patterns together with political perspectives forged in youth do, indeed, tend to be held throughout life. The old wives' tale about youngsters who aren't liberal not having hearts but oldsters who aren't conservative not having brains was always B.S. Those who grow up in healthy ways find their sensitivities naturally flavored by pragmatism as they gain more life experience, but they do NOT become conservatives in our current sense of the word. Rather, our current, virulent, unthinking form of conservatism is a psychological dysfunction born of overly-controlling, soul-stealing parenting.

Second... as to your fantasies regarding people being forced into homosexual marriages - although there is a small subculture in the gay community that enjoys dressing in uniforms and leather and playing at being authoritarian, there is no gay gestapo that's going to kidnap you at gun point, march you off to Massachusetts, and force you into a gay marriage with your best friend. That was, at one time, the style of straight people in some regions, but even they don't do it anymore (except in Alaska?).

Lets be straight about this. The first last and only reason for you or any other religious bigot out there to oppose marrige rights for same sex couples is that it's against YOUR religion for THEM to marry or have sex. That's fine. So don't marry or have sex with anyone of your own gender. None of us will stop you from living your life as it pleases you.

But when you vote to deny any couple who love each other and have chosen to joint their lives the right to do so and deny a minister whose regigion allows it the ability to perform these rites because of YOUR religious prejudices then you prove that you have no idea what this country is all about.

Marriage is a religious sacrement. As such no government Federal, State or Local has any right to either allow or deny it to anyone. Since none of you are ever honest about your motives on any issue that touches on your own bigotry, you may choose to claim marraige is a civil contract instead. Fine. Then we have State and Federal laws prohibiting discrimination based upon gender and sexual orientation in public accommodation which make denying marraige to Gays and Lesbians even more illegal.

If you don't want to live in a secular democracy and treat others as you would be treated then please get out my country and find somewhere where it's alright to be a bigot. Sorry about overthrowing the Taliban, they were a lot like you and I think youd'd have done well with them. But how about Saudi Arabia? They still stone Gays there. Or maybe Iran? They're really big on enforcing religious law in Iran. But give over doing it here. Because, in THIS country we don't force our religous mores one those who do not share our faith. It's called religious freedom. You Christians make much of it. And loudly...Unless it's applied to someone else's religion. And then you turn into the shallow, faithless, hateful bigots you really are. You prove that you don't really know anything about your Jesus and I'm pretty sure when your judgement comes he will say he never knew you either.