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Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:00 AM

The rhetoric of slavery and climate change

Then: Abolition would wreak havoc on the economy of the South. Now: Ratifying the Kyoto Protocol would punish all Americans.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2008 09:12 AM

Amazing- Two soundbites that match

I bet you could find a hell of a lot more similar statements if you compared rhetoric opposing the minimum wage to that opposing abolition. And, to be fair, abolition of slavery DID wreak havoc on the economy of the South, above and beyond that of the civil war. It was well worth it, but it did.

This is the kind of nonscientific, nonproductive rhetoric that global warming alarmists use all the time. Promote "Goodthink" by comparing your opponents to slave owners, and challenge their arguments with non-sequitors-

"the same senator Inhofe who insisted upon ‘sound science,’ consensus among scientists and complete scientific certainty before devoting funds to climate mitigation, found sufficient justification in inconclusive information from the US intelligence service, contradicting the conclusions of the chief UN weapons inspector, to start a war on Iraq."

Global warming advocates say their climate predictions are based on the soundest of science, yet Inhofe is held in fault for supporting the conclusions of every major foreign intelligence service before the Iraq war, a very nonscientific endeavor.

This rhetoric is poisoned.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 09:24 AM

Power Games

This is why your section rules, Mr. Leonard. I'd not seen that kind of comparison, but it's revealing -- as ever, the petroleum industry will fight any change as long as they feasibly can, using whatever rhetoric they can muster, despite being on the wrong side of history. What I don't get in the discussion is how banking on fossil fuels is anything but a losing bet, long-term (above and beyond the obvious climate-change consideration). If the US was energy-smart (hahah, given our track record), we'd be putting serious R&D into wind and solar, the energy equivalent of a Manhattan Project.

The crisis in Florida the other day points to how wrongheaded centralized power is, especially in something like nuclear. Our government really favors centralization of power resources, even by supposedly decentralizing Republicans (like their notions of "fiscal responsibility" it's chimerical at best), even in alternative fuel sources. So, they like solar power if it's a centralized power plant, or nuclear, because it requires centralization. I'm sure they'd favor it with wind, too.

But if 9/11 taught us nothing as a country, it's that centralization is a risky policy to pursue in the age of terrorism, because power plants are such easy targets (I'm reminded of that time in Wyoming when a bird flew into a power station and shorted out power for like 23,000 people -- and that was just a bird). What the US needs is a new way of conceiving of energy resources, one that is decentralized, and alternative energy resources like wind and solar offer that, if only our government could wrap its bloated head around that.

Energy independence would get us out of the wars-around-the-world business, and energy decentralization would offer protection against the terrorists that the authorities like to invoke now and then, when politically useful. And things like solar and wind power would offer long-term security for the country's economic and environmental well-being, and would give us a lead in that as an industry.

But, instead, the "debate" continues by well-financed dead enders in the fossil fuel industry, or dead ends like the ethanol lobby, or worse, the coal industry.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 09:28 AM

Comparing the incomparable

Google "slavery pro-choice" and you'll discover that anti-abortion activists have attempted a very similar rhetorical comparison. The slave states were, after all, "pro-choice." Landowners had a right to choose to own slaves and states themselves had a right to choose to allow it. Do you see interesting congruencies in this or just plain stupidity? Presumably the latter, if you're pro-choice. The former, of course, if you're stridently anti-abortion.

Comparing similar rhetoric in situations that are entirely dissimilar is tempting, but yields little useful. People will adopt whatever reasoning best reinforces their previously held opinions. Reactionaries, by definition, say reactionary things. The so-called global warming sceptics will tell you that alarmists say alarming things; thus today I found global warming being compared to witch trials, by a particularly creative Australian sceptic. Interesting congruencies? Not really. Apples to apples, please.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 09:37 AM

the public don't wise up.

well, don't forget the comparison between "the science is not there to prove global warming", vs "the science is not there to prove that cigarettes cause cancer". the classics never die; especially when it's the same hired mouthpieces in the same organizations who make both arguments.

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 09:38 AM

who ya gonna believe

those shaky sciences of geology, physics, climatology, paleontology, etc., or the firm reliable precise predictions of economists?

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 09:44 AM

The climate of slavery

There is little doubt that the climate of the planet is warming up though the cause of the warming is less clear, and the extent to which implementing Kyoto would slow or reverse climate change is even more hazy.

However it seems to make sense to at least try Kyoto, rather than dismiss it out of hand. It is an ill-will that blows nobody any good, and doubtless there will be new antipollution industries that will provide jobs and make money.

However, these type of "end is nigh" arguments seem to be trotted out to try to thwart or delay any kind of progress--not just the abolition of slavery.

Why, for example, can we not have legislation that would reduce the absurd amount of packaging that comes with everything we buy, and the bags we carry it home it?

Why is our landscape littered with silver paper, cellophane, and cardboard from cigarette packets? Why should not smoker take their own container and buy loose cigarettes? Because, no doubt, the world will come to an end if this occurs and thousands of worthy but impoverished cellophane growers will lose their living.

Why can we not have a single payer health system? Because millions of worthy, but impoverished insurance clerks will be cast into the pit of unemployment.

Why can workers in the US not have the same amount of paid annual leave as their counterparts in Europe? Because... well, you know the answer.

Why is the dollar at a record low against the Euro today?

Good question?

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 09:52 AM

wow, that is unrelated beyond the power of language to describe

For starters global warming is a scientific claim, slavery was a state of law. A law can be overturned with another law and enforced by police. Global warming cannot be simply overturned by a law, dealing with its effects is itself a scientific debate. For instance, emmissions reductions versus geoengineering, or simply mitigation measures such as irrigation and seawalls.

So while the slavery debate was about up or down on a law? global warming is a scientific debate over various theories and approaches to solving complex systems.

And take a good note that your article sounds extremely shrill and desperate.

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