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Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:00 AM

Bush declares victory on climate change

U.S. greenhouse gas emissions dropped in 2006, says the Department of Energy. So what's the big worry?

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 05:41 PM

Let's Look At The Record

Can anyone name anything the Bush Administration has done to reduce pollution contributing to global pollution?

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 06:15 PM

Climate Change

Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me!

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 06:24 PM

Trainman

Sure Trainman, Bush exported our industrial base to China thereby lowering our greenhouse gas emissions. Now China will suffer the ill effects of global warming while we remain a pristine paradise.

Problem solved!

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 06:59 PM

I haven't read the whole report

But might there be something there to indicate that the continued outsourcing of manufacturing might have an impact? We are talking about the US only, not global emmissions, so making things in China would actually reduce the numbers.

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 09:35 PM

and when we're back to the 14th Century

They'll be lower still. See there's an upside to every calamity. As the great Viktor Frankl said when he was sent to the concentration camp "Before I lived in fear, now I lived in hope."

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:42 PM

Renewable fuels

This sentence seems a little questionable: "Indeed, the EIA's own data have carbon dioxide emissions attributable to "renewable fuels" rising from 11.6 MMT to 11.9 MMT."

I love your blog, and, from reading the letters, it seems like your readers are generally pretty smart, but, obviously, it could be that the increase above might not mean a net increase in CO2, as the .3 MMT increase in CO2 from "renewable fuels" could have generated energy that would have resulted in greater CO2 output had it come from coal or oil or something. Then again, "renewable fuels" probably includes biofuel, which is not exactly low-carbon, from what I understand. All the same, data that nebulous seems unworthy of inclusion when your point was made convincingly without it.

Thursday, November 29, 2007 09:28 AM

The debate is over

The debate is over; all we now see is propaganda articles. Political propaganda is NOT science. UK court says Gore is a fraud. August 2007 Update: Man-made Catastrophic Global Warming Not True. Unfortunately, Hansen is a political hack of George Soros. Further, flawed NASA Global Warming data paid for by George Soros. In order to be an intelligent reader you must have a basic knowledge. Please do your own homework; a starting point http://www.InteliOrg.com/ Remember CONSENSUS is NEVER science it’s always a POLITICAL STATEMENT (Party Line).

Thursday, November 29, 2007 09:36 AM

Isn't it ironic that conservative and...

conservation have the same root but in our world never the twain shall meet? Whatever gains (or losses) in greenhouse gas output cannot be claimed by this White House as they have done little to nothing to encourage this country to reduce it's consumption of greenhouse gas causing carbon-based fuels. They are either fortuitously accidental, such as the weather, or they are dividends received from the efforts of California, Pennsylvania or other states leading the charge on climate change control.

Friday, November 30, 2007 10:51 AM

Climate change is the issue that taught liberals to love federalism.

Because states are taking action to limit emissions (all of New England in RGGI, the Western States Climate Partnership, California no thanks to EPA.) Cities are taking action. (Google Cool Cities or the Mayors' Climate Change Initiative.) In fact, every level of government except the federal is doing something about the problem...

...and Bush will undoubtedly take credit for any results they produce.

Friday, November 30, 2007 05:13 PM

Climate Change

The US has a multitude of problems including our propensity to nominate and elect to high office people whose primary, and often only, qualification is an all-consuming ambition for power. Mr. Bush fits the mold, as does Hillary and many of the others.

However, Mr. Bush`s pronouncements on climate change are no more irrelevant than anyone else`s, since in fact the whole issue is a farce swallowed by far too many people.

Facts:

1. Earth`s climate is always in a state of flux. Always has been and always will be. We can`t affect it one little bit. Something as cataclysmic as a nuclear holocaust wouldn`t even bump the needle.

2. Al Gore is one of those people described above. His "Inconvenient Truth" is, well, a lie. Actually, several lies.

Look closely at the "hockey stick" chart in IC. The number of errors and falsehoods associated with that one chart is astounding. The vertical axis is labeled backwards with the negative numbers on top, causing his curve to prove global cooling. Note further that the neutral point about which the curve oscillates is +0.5, not zero. Note that in the last 50 years or so, the chart shows cooling and warming in the same years. There`s more, much more. The first 950 years or so are not even temp data, but rather proxy temps calculated from concentrations of an isotope of O2 in an ice core. Problem is , there is no accepted proven correlation between these two variables.

3. Climate indeed changes and may be doing so now. The huge factors in climate are solar radiation reaching the earth, sunspots, and cloud over. The most effective gas at trapping reflected radiation in the atmosphere is, alas, water vapor, far out-doing CO2. None of these is well understood and certainly none are within the control of man.

Sad to say, most folks reading "Salon" don`t want to hear these things and they get abusive when aroused. Save your epithets as they reflect more on the writer than the recipient. But if you have intelligent, reasoned, facts to contribute, let`s hear `em.

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