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Good job!
...Don't you? He is 14. She (He) was born in 1984. He-llarious!
Since Mr. Stryde believes the whole thing is a state-sponsored fruad, I am wondering how Mr. Stryde can verify that those Excel spreadsheets gotten from the Chinese government Web site are the genuine evidence but not the passport? Just because the so-called evidence keep disappearing?
By digging out "evidence" from the Chinese government, I don't see Mr. Stryde is demonstrating the "power of free citizens to subvert government censorship." To me, he just look stupid.
They cheated on her age. I defended the possibility in another post that since Chinese look young for their age.....I stand corrected. Good work!
The sanctity of the Olympic spirit has been violated.
I would stop watching them, but I want to see who wins the gold in the stock car race.
He is good, but not as much as if her name was "Poon". "Pun" would also work, but only for people in the know. I'm guessing there would be a lot of comments about underage Pun.
They said as much. I've got to give them that. If they break a few rules, well, I'm sure we agree it's no big thing. After all it's their country, they're hosting it and they're bullying the judges at will. What good is power if they can't abuse it.
And anyway it's just sports.
Sheesh, nothing like the Olympics to show what poor sports Americans can be sometimes. You're so quick to condemn this brilliantly talented Chinese gymnast but have turned blind eyes to massive (and systematic) doping in your own backyard, not to mention the incredibly unsportsmanlike conduct of your gymnastic 'champion' Paul Hamm in Athens. Jesse Owens NEVER would have behaved that way.
I will admit, you are getting better at getting the dopers caught out, but every athletics medal won by the USA in the 80's and 90's still lurks under an extremely heavy cloud.
As for the judging of He vs Liukin, you seem to obsess about a little step on landing but neglect to look at the entire performance. The level of difficulty the Chinese girl performed was beyond what Liukin delivered. It deserved to be a close contest and it was. Your girl didn't win. Get over it.
"Sheesh, nothing like the Olympics to show what poor sports Americans can be sometimes. You're so quick to condemn this brilliantly talented Chinese gymnast but have turned blind eyes to massive (and systematic) doping in your own backyard, not to mention the incredibly unsportsmanlike conduct of your gymnastic 'champion' Paul Hamm in Athens."
Ah yes, only the Americans can be poor sports. If China is doing something wrong, don't actually hold them accountable for it. Just point out something you don't like about Americans and it all goes away! Thank you so much for pointing out how unsportsmanlike we all are, how we engage in riots after soccer games that leave people dead and the like. Oh wait, we're not the ones that do that...
Some Excel spreadsheets trumps over passport, which was issued before the date of those spreadsheets. Chinese government issued paasport is not trustworthy, but some list (which contains hundreds of entries) posted online is the iron-clad proof. How cleverly selective of you.
So it is a surprise in these "dopey" days of elite level sports that some countries might be cheating with regard to age? In a sport like women's gymnastics? Please. So far as I can tell, the age limit for this sport was raised not so long ago for the purpose of avoiding the "emotional stress" straddled on the shoulders of young (fragile?) females who nevertheless happen to be the best at (and hold the most records in) a sport in which a pre or just pubescent body is the physical ideal. Nevermind the legit concerns of things like race or puberty-delaying drugs here. The simple facts are that 1- countries today like to win at any cost, and 2- the ageist notion that younger girls uniformly cannot handle the emotional pressure of high level competition, and the equally ageist change in rules (disguised as concern)... well, they necessarily create a situation ripe for cheating. Would anyone disagree? And for some, cheating which results from ageist rules is quite a noble thing. In my home, the youngster who manages to defeat someone with several years more experience in olymic level competition is more likely to elicit cheers and chuckles than chastisement. One day, hopefully, we will not be in the minority in our reaction.
You don't get it at all, do you? You state that the Chinese should be held "accountable". To WHOM???? The IOC weeks ago essentially said,"move on, nothing to see here..." Where's the accountability going to come from since the IOC endorsed the behavior of the Chinese federation?
Do you get it now? We all know He is underage. The IOC knows. Before the competition ever started, He's age was known. She is 14 going on 15. The IOC made their stand that they just don't care as long as the Chinese federation can produce a passport attesting to her age. They did that.
It's unfair, it's wrong, it's cheating but it was all this BEFORE the competition. Let the griping end because the medals have been doled out and the competition is over. He and the Chinese won because they fielded the most impressive team of athletes under the IOC rules. I sincerely hope that He's terrific meet isn't ruined by her scheming federation, the lameness of the IOC and sour-grapes bloggers and journalists.
1st- Aussie Mike, all I want to say is, please be accurate with your information when you criticize us Americans. He and Liukin had the same level of difficulty in their bar routines and received the exact same execution scores, which is why in the end it came down to the 3rd level tie breaker. So the reality is that in terms of overall polish, bobbles and mistakes on landings, some in the gymnastics world believe that He actually was a little less impressive than Nastia, though nonetheless fabulous.
We should all handle this with the class that several of the US gymnasts have displayed when asked about this whole situation. Liukin has commented that no matter what the gymnasts ages, they are in fact excellent athletes who are executing impressive gymnastics under immense pressure. Do people realize how hard ALL of these athletes have worked? Though I believe He and Liukin should have shared the gold medal on the uneven bars, all of the other Chinese women's gymnastics medals are well deserved!