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Friday, October 2, 2009 12:00 AM

Rep. Alan Grayson, star of the left

His claim that the GOP's healthcare plan is "die quickly" is just the latest part of the congressman's rapid rise

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Friday, October 2, 2009 04:01 PM

Too bad he is working with Ron Paul on the Audit the Fed Bill

Meaning he'll be outed as a bigoted self-hating Jew and ostracized any time now.

It's too bad that he will soon be relentlessly smeared as a kook by both sides. Grayson has zazz.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:15 PM

I'd love to see more of Grayson

Things like giving an interview to notorious conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones, who's a 9/11 Truther, are likely to keep him out of the mainstream for a while.

When did giving interviews to conspiracy theorists ever keep Republicans out of the mainstream? Why do mainstream Democrats fear "Truthers" so much?

I think I'm missing something.

In case you actually read these letters, I really like the way you write, Alex, and would welcome your thoughts.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:20 PM

e.g.

Things like giving an interview to notorious conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones, who's a 9/11 Truther, are likely to keep him out of the mainstream for a while.

Bye bye Grayson. It was nice knowing you. How dare he speak with anyone who questions the Official Government Conspiracy Theory, even though the radio interview was about AUDITING THE FEDERAL RESERVE, something this article does a great job of not mentioning.

Nope, Grayson is only gaining popularity with all the principled Liberal Progressive True Believers that come on Salon to opine about progress and then vote to escalate good wars. Grayson isn't gaining popularity with people who oppose the other Official Government Conspiracy Theory, the Federal Reserve, they're conspiracy theorists!

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:23 PM

Alex

how is what he said about republicans not true? You keep asserting that but you never say why you think what Rep Grayson said was so wrong.

Isn't taking the money and voting against the people (and lying to them about their concerns and fear of change) telling people to drop dead- literally Isn't that the net effect? Because we know that without access to health insurance people do not receive adequate care- even if some people show up in emergency rooms - there are a lot of preventable deaths happening every day because of the wealth of a powerful lobby. You may not appreciate the hyperbole or the way he put it but you are wrong to compare it to Joe Wilson and the GOP lies about healthcare reform.

Don't you ever get tired of cheap moral equivalency? Can you go into why it is exactly wrong to forcefully call out a great injustice? How is that the same as lying about a policy? Are you so complacent because you are young and healthy and have insurance? Have you never seen anyone forced to twist in the wind and hope and pray they will get better- even die because they couldn’t receive care?

Oh and all of the things you say to imply Rep Grayson is an extreme radical are true (although I haven’t read the article with the birther but I fear you’re just smearing by association—and I’m talking about the things you cite in this post). It is true that when Bush lied people died. What is wrong with a little passion? What is wrong with the congressman being forceful if it is said in the appropriate context and venue? What is wrong with actually standing up for people? And for goodness sake what is wrong with testifying to congress about the wrongdoing he unearthed- is that radical?

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:24 PM

Alex

"- even if that thing isn't really true, even if it involves yelling at the president or accusing opponents of wanting people to die quickly - "

If you're in a burning building, and I have the distinct ability to pull you out and don't, then whether I "want" you to die, quickly or not, is solidly trumped by my choice to let you.

Just because Republicans don't say they "want" people to die for lack of healthcare, doesn't mean they aren't helping them to do so. They have the means to help, but won't.

Grayson is a grandstander, the kind Congress has attracted for a couple of centuries. But it's one thing to mouth off, pro or con, about flag-burning amendments and such, and another entirely to get hyperbolic about healthcare. People ARE dying.

Grayson: you don't lie.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:29 PM

Chris Sinnard

Are you being snarky or what?

Most reasonable people understand that people co-author and co-sponsor bills all the time. Because Grayson has gotten on board with Ron Paul , who is a nut, does not mean that Grayson has the same agenda as Paul nor that he agrees with him on other issues. It simply means he is backing the bill.

Guilt by assoication is one of the cheapest tactics usually employed by blowhards when the facts don't support their agenda.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:30 PM

PS Alex:

Re: left/right equivalencies - If you look at an IQ bell curve, the people on the extremes are also similarly out of the mainstream. But sometimes there IS a difference.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:40 PM

dwg

Great analogies!

I can understand that some may take issues with Rep Grayson’s tone but he is telling the truth and I appreciate it because the things he is fired up about are important. I really wish Alex would explain why he keeps asserting that what Grayson said is not true.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:43 PM

Aim at the Republican "leadership"

Accuse them of abandoning their rank and file's needs.

Keillor and (to a lesser extent) Grayson are tactically wrong in their language.

There is an opening here, there are votes availble, there is anger-opportunity here. Grayson is right on tone, but always be splitting the leadership from Republican voters.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:49 PM

CeliaInSF

Check his youtube channel....

I am not being snarky, I like the guy. But he wants to open the books at the Federal Reserve, so I'm not the one who will be calling him a "nut". Just wait. It also tells me a lot about you when you call Ron Paul a "nut", which he clearly is not.

And perhaps you should be lecturing Mr. Koppelman on guilt by association. Mr. Koppelman who will throw the truther slime as a condescending Seriousness Warning without without even bothering to mention HR 1207, which is why Grayson was on Alex Jones' radio show. He was on right after the "nut" Ron Paul.

Friday, October 2, 2009 04:53 PM

@ CeliaInSF

This is more of the every issue must have two sides crap that the MSM have been cramming down our throats for the past 20 years. I am seeing more and more of this nonsense creeping into progressive news sources as well.

Is there some unwritten rule that you must abide by the "every story has two sides" nonsense in order to be taken seriously as a journalist?

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