Letters to the Editor
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Split em.
Split them 50-50, seat them and stfu. Period.
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Having a Voice?
What hypocrisy! Thanks to the machinations of my state's democratic establishment, Michigan voters were denied a voice several times over. We didn't get to vote for whom we wanted (if we supported Edwards or Obama); we couldn't cast a write-in vote; and the whole thing was a farce. Clinton herself said the primary didn't count and didn't campaign here, and now she wants the votes? The only voice she wants hear is her own.
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She pulled out the Rodham!
Wow, we haven't heard Hillary drop the "R" word in a while. How very elite of her.
At this point, it seems like the best thing to do is cut the delegates in half, as the Republicans did, and seat them at the convention. Counting them as-is wouldn't jeopardize Obama's chances of victory (he'd still win by triple digits in the delegate count, and he'd still win the popular vote), but the states need to pay a penalty for violating the DNC rules. Otherwise, the national committee's authority would be irreparably harmed, and trying to get the Democratic party to do anything would become even more like herding cats than it already is.
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I do want to know
What the obama campaign says about this. It's a total fiasco and the people who are behind moving the primary up should be kicked out.
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(@@)
Whatever Hillary, as if this is all about "fairness".
This Hillary will stop at nothing to win (as is a well-known fact to almost all Dems). If Michigan and Florida wanted their delegates seated why did they break the Democratic rules? Once again, why did they break the rules? They were told that if they broke the rules their delegates would not be counted yet they broke the rules anyway, so what right do they have to complain about it now? Really only Hillary is complaining because she will stop at nothing to win. Hopefully Barack just ignores her from now on -maybe if we all do the same she'll disappear.
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Dear Hillary: Screw You
This last ditch attempt to get more votes is starting to look pathetic. If the voters wanted you, Hillary, you would have more votes and more delegates than Obama. Technicalities will not help you.
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Attacking the Wrong Target
The voters in Florida and Michigan should be angry with the party leaders in those states. They are the ones who decided to buck the system, not Senator Obama.
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I'm just saying
Charlie bucket broke the rules knowingly when he tried the fizzy lifting drink, but he still won the willy wonka's chocolate factory.
Let the superloompas decide!
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If she gets 60 delegates
then she fights on even longer. So it's clearly in her advantage to get them. I don't believe it's about fighting the good fight and all that. It's about winning.
It's simple to everyone that is objective about this. The rules were broken and the DNC made a decision. She herself said they wouldn't count and it's not a coincidence that she only wants them to count now that she's losing. We need to play by the rules and not change them halfway through the game.
I have yet to hear a logical argument why we should give her these delegates when they didn't count. I would like to hear from her supporters (considering her's is very political) a logical argument that doesn't contain the typical ones that she states every time this issue comes up.
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superloompas
hepstyle, that has always bothered me about Charlie/Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Dahl was no kind of absolutist, was he.
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Wow
Hillary just needs to stop talking. Every time she opens her mouth, she digs the hole deeper and deeper.
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a bit disingenious no?
especially when I read this over at TPM:
"Hillary Campaign Says No To New Michigan Delegate Proposal
By Greg Sargent - May 8, 2008, 2:20PM
Camp Hillary is rejecting the new plan floated today by Michigan Dems that would seat the delegation by awarding 69 delegates to Hillary and 59 to Obama.
Hillary spokesperson Isaac Baker emails over this:
"This proposal does not honor the 600,000 votes that were cast in Michigan's January primary. Those votes must be counted."
This is hardly surprising, since the proposal gives Hillary a 10 delegate margin -- a significant cut from the 18-delegate margin of victory she enjoyed over "uncommitted" (Obama wasn't on the ballot) in the Michigan primary."
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Lying in her letter
I have consistently said... blah blah blah, except last year when she agreed these delegates would not count. Now that is consistency if you only count what she's said since February.
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The Only Important Thing
About Florida is if Obama is the nominee, we are conceding it in the general.
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2012?
Ia it just me, but is this another way for Hillary to make Obama look bad so he loses this fall and she can run in 2012? She knows this won't really help her win in the end, it won't give her.a lead. But Obama can't take the chance. Why is she doing this, just trying to bring him down. She looks so desperate, but she doesn't care, she is so bent on winning! Ugh!
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Clinton is not asking for votes
You might want to note that Clinton is not asking for votes, but instead asking for a RE-VOTE.
See VOTES and RE-VOTE, two different words.
As Clintons letter states, "the Republicans won an election by successfully opposing a fair counting of votes in Florida." The dirty crooks, Obama would never support that.
Except he did, Obama is opposed to a RE-VOTE.
Why is Obama opposed to a RE-VOTE when he's got tons of money and ethically you would think the self-proclaimed "Second Coming" campaign would demand a RE-VOTE.
Oops. Sorry. Forgot. Obama is channeling Jesus thru Karl Rove.
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SO over it...
Give her the damn delegates to shut her up.
I sincerely hope Obama take the magnanimous route and decides to give he the freaking 60 delegates.
NO i'm not happy about it - the party broke the rules and now the rules are changing. It's totally wrong. But we aren't going to change any of that. We are going to have to apportion these delegates somehow.
NO i am not happy about these FARCES of primaries (I'm from Florida) but again, this isn't going away unless we MAKE IT GO AWAY.
HOW? Give her the damn delegates. Obama gets incredible cred for doing it and it makes him look "above the fray" and refusing to get dumped into a muck fest with her.
PLEASE OBAMA give her the damn 60 delegates. You'll make it up almost immediately in Supers.