Letters to the Editor
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The legendary Clinton experience
She is experienced in making bad decisions. She made plenty of them when entrusted with remorming the US healthcare system in 1993. People who participated in that process tell of a very arrogant and impatient Hillary Clinton who refuses to consider contrarian opinions and is in the habit of arrogantly dismissing experts whose views don't agree with hers. She made another grave mistake by authorizing the Iraq invasion and many subsequent mistakes in voting to continue to fund that illegal invasion. She made many mistakes by voting like a neocon in the senate. Imagine if Cindy McCain claimed she was qualified to run for president because she had been around her expeirnced husband for many years, which is really Hillary's main claim to experience. The emperess has no cloths, her so called national security experience is totally bogus, her record when trying to run something big is terrible:she is completely unqualified to be president-in her arrogance and refusal to consider views that conflict hers she's very much like Bush. The Obama campaign needs, and apparently will, start to hammer those truth in and let's see the Clinton campaign take that kind of heat.
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We Were Having A Civilized Debate About Policy...
Until the Golden Girl started losing.
That's what was so energizing about Obama -- he kind of set the tone for civilized debate because he never rose to the bait Hillary laid out and he kinda forced her to be chill too.
We Dems were demonstrating how politics could be and proving ourselves superior to the Repubs and their philosophy of "Kill'em All!"
And then she started losing. Badly.
The she dusted off the Bush Attack Ads 101 and dragged us all right back into the mud proving to everyone that Dems and Repubs are no different.
Thanks Hillary!
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For me personally...
...the chance to vote for someone I actually like has long since past so, in this case, I traditionally vote for the candidate that I have to scrape the least slime off of. As it stands, in least slimy order,
1) B. Obama
2) H. Clinton
3) J. McCain
If H. Clinton somehow gets Florida and Michigan results counted just so she can be president, she moves to the bottom of the list and simultaneously eliminates the current top placeholder. I have to vote for McCain in that event.
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@ Mr. Jones = Mr. Republican
Whatever! All the people who post this tripe are full of crap and aren't progressives anyway.
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How many of us are there?
I can't help but wonder how many other voters are out there like me? ...People who voted for Bill Clinton (twice), who were nauseated by the bombast and hypocrisy of Newt Gingrich's congress, dismayed by Bill Clinton's inability to keep it in his pants, yet even more mortified by the Republican witch hunt that followed as retribution. In the 1990s, I didn't fixate on Hillary too much, unlike the Republican men who obsessed over her with such single-minded passion. Clearly, there is a strain of raw, irrational sexism in their obsessive Hillary hatred and it persists 'til this day. (See Rush Limbaugh, or, for the slightly tamer version, MSNBC's Chris Matthews)
But one can be a woman over 30 (like me) a former (Bill)Clinton supporter, (like me), a person who is repelled by the haw-haw easy sexism of male pundits on television, and STILL find Hillary Clinton utterly unbearable. Charmless, lacking in conviction, shape-shifting, phony, morally dubious, unable to run a campaign that doesn't degenerate into displays of back-biting, intrigue and tedious drama, willing to pursue a scorched-earth campaign at the expense of the national interests of all Democrats, and irony of ironies... hoping to win by using the Karl Rove playbook for whatever it's worth.
While TV talking heads natter about increasingly silly voter sub-categories ("It seems that Obama has cut into Hillary's dominance with Tantric Scandinavians who speak Spanish and make less than 100K a year...")I want to know one thing:
How many former (Bill)Clinton supporters are now as thoroughly disgusted with the Clintons as I am?
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Irony
Irony is definitely not dead! All one has to do is struggle through scores and scores of letters excoriating Hillary for all sorts of imagined crimes and sins and secret motives and dark plots, and then read these pious pleas from some of the same crowd for all of us Hillary defenders to "be nicer."
And yes, I think a lot of people, myself included now and then, go too far in our arguments. But to read just this thread alone and see how many are calling Clinton all sorts of names and then see Oliver the Pure attack W.E.S. is irony at its best. Not long ago he was asking us to praise him for "getting rid of" Cythera; I suppose he hopes for another prize if only he can get the passionate and sharp Notorious to shut up, too.
Irony sometimes blurs into hypocrisy. Sometimes.
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@ Mr. Jones = Mr. Republican #2
Here's what Mr. Jones really thinks from a previous post. So when did you start to root for Hillary or Barack over McCain?
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I have a choice between two candidates: John McCain and Fred Smith. We know about McCain. Smith's position is that voices in his head beamed from Alpha Centauri ordered him to stop the War so that's what he's compelled to do. If I don't support either of them, am I morally responsible for the war dead after McCain is elected?
Permalink Friday, January 11, 2008 08:05 PM
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Dmagnificent
Great post. Made me also think of that whole Somali photo "scandal". (Not to rehash play-by-lay): It's reported the photo was leaked by her camp, she refuses to deny it, then turns it on Obama's head saying that Obama should "be ashamed" for suggesting "that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive".
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SalonReader and how to support Obama by spewing hate
"[I]STILL find Hillary Clinton utterly unbearable. Charmless, lacking in conviction, shape-shifting, phony, morally dubious,...",/blockquote>
1. I have no reason whatever to believe you're telling the truth about being such a supporter of President Clinton; this sounds a lot like the crap the Repugs used against the Clintons for years.
2. I have no idea how in the world you would set about supporting these hateful charges with any kind of evidence whatever, so they remain just hatefulness.
3. Weren't some of your fellow Obama supporters just lecturing us all on how to be nice? Maybe you didn't read the instructions; go back a letter or two.
What a lame, lame letter.