Letters to the Editor
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@ the Anonymi
Looks like, once again in the letters, the anonymous letter writers chime in-- three of them-- with irrational pro-Hillary thoughts. The remainder of the letters so far are decently reasoned and signed with a name.
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Anal Anonymous
My, you're a busy little beaver this afternoon, anal. The distinct whiff of fascism, the hint of trailer park, all hallmarks of your pathetic little Billary-bot support posts. Beneath the fold? Nah: beneath the intelligence of any reasonable person.
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I remember playing make believe too
It was fun for a while. I remember it fondly. I was in my backyard pretending to be Nolan Ryan getting his 5th no hitter. Aaaaaaaah. Those were the days.
It was actually more real than Mark Penn's fantasy now that I look back on it.
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:o
I'm shocked -- shocked!! -- that Mark Penn would make such a pronouncement.
/sarcasm
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Tired, Old-School Democrat
This memo only confirms my disenchantment with the current Democrat Party Machine, and why HRC is a tired, old-school Democrat. Let the Republicans set the agenda ("its all about national security"), then try to convince the most reactionary right-wingers to like our candidate ("Clinton is a war monger, too!").
These strategies were in place during the 90's as the GOP took over the country & they didn't work with Gore or Kerry, but, apparently, this time it will be different. This strategy sells out liberal ideals for specific candidates’ short-term interests.
The Republican Party didn't gain power by trying to appeal to liberals, in fact they have generally called us traitors. It is about time the Democratic Party stood up and acted proud about being liberal, and stopped trying to kiss the asses of our enemies.
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Presented without comment
I mean, c'mon, throw us a LITTLE analysis at least...
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thats...
...what they said about john kerry. i say screw so-called electability.
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Voting for McCain
Any alleged Democrat (or Democratic supporter) who votes for McCain in the general election is: (1) an asshole, (2) a republican, or (3) all of the above.
I'de say option 3 applies to all of the anonymous posters that have plagued Salon comment boards over the past months.
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"Sen. Obama's Negatives Will Rise; Hillary's Are Already Factored In.
This is a very valid concern for the Obama camp. Fortunately, one could say the same about McCain. Like Obama, he's riding a bit of a warm and fuzzy wave at the moment. Despite his previous presidential run, I think McCain is a bit of a cypher still.
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Blah blah blah
Hillary blah blah blah, blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah.
Blah, Blah, Blah blah blah. Blah, no she does not have a big ass. Blah blah blah, blah.
cankels, what cankles. Blah, blah, blah, we are winning. Blah blah blah blah, Obama is evil.
Blah Blah Blah.
Blah.
Does it sound like that to you to?
God these people talk sh_t.
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Did anyone else notice...
..that even Mark Penn calls HRC "Hillary" and Barack "Sen. Obama?"
I wonder if he's going to get a talking to like Doyle did...
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concern
As a Canadian watching these races with concern as I don't want to see more of the past eight years, one concern I have with reports on both candidates is that these memos and strategy sessions all seem to revolve around the defensive. How the Republicans assault will be fended off. That's all well and good and I understand a good defense is important, but I've also always felt that the best offense is a good offense.
I admit, I'm a country removed from this, so maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I see far more attention on what to do or what will happen when the Republicans do X. It seems to cede a lot of the ground to the other side as regards framing. It always seems to assume that the Republicans will define the central issues which then have to be further defended by the Dems.
I'm open to hearing more about this from either side. Just keep it civil please - the only thing that concerns me more than this defensiveness is the unbelievable infighting I've seen on these boards.
Come to think of it (and this is just foreign pondering) I wonder if part of the constant infighting is because due to a lack of offensive strategy against the Repubs and so the fringe on both sides are left only with tearing apart the defensive aspects of the other.
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Alcoholism Recidivism
It is said that when an alcoholic resumes drinking they pick up right where they leave off, if not at a worse point on the downward slope.
Hillary has that same impact on people. She was out of the limelight for the better part of the past 8 years. Folks had somewhat forgotten the real, deserved, reasons behind Clinton fatigue and bought the favorable stories coming out of the mainstream media (now villified by the Clinton Camp) over her ability to work across the aisle in the senate and provide constituent service to the 15 people living in the Adirondacks.
And then the campaign starts and all the various things returned to the fore, with Clinton Fatigue returning to the nation with a vengence.
Obama doesn't have to drop any references. Each person in that 47% who disapprove have their various reasons, and Hillary's schtick simply rips the scab off that revulsion.
All Obama has to do is keep maintaining positive references to that ugly period in our political discourse by simply talking about turning a page and beginning a new chapter.
Teddy Kennedy ran a race as a presumptive nominee albeit against a horrible sitting president in 1980 and has played well in the senate ever since. The same can happen for Hillary if she can content herself with not being the one calling the shots on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Don't bet on it.
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Obama...my savior!!!
95% of the posts here, are resolutely against learning anything that challenges their fervid idolatry of Obama. He's the "new" Messiah. The proof: he's younger, he's cool man, his rhetoric is inspiring. Like a bunch of sheep running over the edge of a cliff, oblivious of the ruin to which they're making all of us victims.
jp
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Fair or not, a lot of people don't like Hillary
This spin that she's "tested" ignores the fact that the Clintons, have a lot of baggage that the right wing noise machine, will pick up and run with.
Certainly, Obama has done a fantastic job of overcoming all of the negatives that have been thrown at him so far, the meme that he's got this weird sounding Muslim name, seems to have backfired. The drugs thing isn't sticking, and those who might vote against him because he's an African American, won't exactly be tripping over themselves, to vote for Hillary either.
Everyone who voted for Hillary in the fall, will vote for Obama. But it's hard to say that the reverse is true, especially if people end up feeling disenfranchised, because the Super Delegates, ignore the popular vote, and vote for Hillary.
On Charlie Rose the other night, one Republican pundit said that, his cynical side hoped Hillary would win, because she would be easier to beat in November. But his idealistic side hopes Obama wins, because he believes that he can bring the country together. He said that the right will go ballistic, if Hillary wins, certainly she'll galvanize the base, in a way that no one else can.