I can certainly see why you'd want to end this discussion. It hasn't really been your shining moment, has it? However, the ridicule doesn't end there.

If you can't see the significance of these questions and how adoption might explain the lack of the production of the original long form and you don't care how he returned to legally using Obama from Soetoro after having been adopted by some one with that name I must be talking to an idiot. As such this discussion with you is now closed.

This isn't a significant issue simply because you want to believe it is. This is the heart of your primary confusion.

To make it a significant issue, you need to support that claim. Let's say Obama was born in Hawaii, adopted by Soertoro, changed his name, moved to Indonesia, then changed his name back to Obama and moved back to the US. There's absolutely zero proof for this claim any more than my claim about the chalk giant farting out crop circles, but let's go with it anyway.

How would that change anything? Not "how would you like that to change things", not "how should that change things," but how will that change things.

To demonstrate that, you could dig up some US (not British, not Somalian, but American) law that clearly states that such a scenario would disqualify Obama to be president.

Lacking anything of the sort, your claims can be shortened to "Please, this is something really important to me...please pay attention to it, pleeeeeeeze!!!" I enjoy reading that stuff from you, to be sure, and I hope you won't stop now. However, it does not make for a significant issue among the world that thinks and reasons, and it won't stop the ridicule.

LL:Is his original long form birth certificate sealed?

I don't know.

LL:If it is why?

I really couldn't care less, anymore than I care whether the moon is made out of swiss or jarslberg.

LL:If it is because he was adopted by what legal route did he come back to using the name Obama again.

Same answer as above.

If you can't see the significance of these questions and how adoption might explain the lack of the production of the original long form and you don't care how he returned to legally using Obama from Soetoro after having been adopted by some one with that name I must be talking to an idiot. As such this discussion with you is now closed.

Of course it's a game changer. If it can't be produced because he was adopted by the Indonesian step father whilst in Hawaii that changes the game a lot.

Because, once again from the top, we would then need to know how he came to be using the name Obama all over again wouldn't we?

Outrageous claims require outrageous proof. Already, a pile of proof exists to show Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible to be president. Such a claim is based on nothing outside your imagination.

You are merely engaging in flights of fancy. Lots of them. In the above paragraph, you seem to suggest that if Obama was adopted, that would nullify his US citizenship.

You can't prove any of it, or even take a single step towards substantiating anything, apart from merely writing down your mad suppositions and believing that they represent certainty (this is probably your chief delusion in life). You have no greater proof for your above claim than I have in saying crop circles are created by the Cerne Abbas giant's farts. Both claims enjoy the exact same degree of validity. However, you have no credibility on any topic, whereas I have a fair amount, largely because I don't spend time trying to prove outrageous claims by making shit up.

Go on, Laddie, and find us some actual proof, rather than half-baked stories. For now, there's not much sense in moving forward with what you've got.

...is that you're likely to completely misunderstand what issues actually exist. You're trying to prove that the moon is made out of jarlsberg rather than swiss, when in fact neither thing has anything to do with it. You're asking me to take a stand one way or the other. But, not being an imbecile myself, I'm limited in ways that you are not.

However, just to humor you, I'll answer your questions directly, only if you promise to answer mine.

Is his original long form birth certificate sealed?

I don't know.

If it is why?

I really couldn't care less, anymore than I care whether the moon is made out of swiss or jarslberg.

If it is because he was adopted by what legal route did he come back to using the name Obama again.

Same answer as above.

OK, now my questions to you, which you found it necessary to ignore before:

Do you actually believe the birth announcements appeared back in 1961?

Do you believe those announcements were factual, and not part of some time-traveling scheme to land a Kenyan kid in the White House?

Therefore, what exactly are you arguing? You know Obama was born in Hawaii, but you want to "see the long form"....why exactly? What do you think will be on that which would be a game changer?

You either can't think straight you lot or you can but know what your doing by spreading falsehoods. Gawd knows which one you are:

Unlike you, I claim no certainty on who cleared what. I can only presume using logic (and you might consider trying this too). Since she couldn't make a statement like that without clearance, and since that clearance would have to come from the owner of the birth certificate, I would assume Obama provided the clearance. Make sense?

With regards his birth certificate Obama has no more rights or privileges than any one else with a birth record held there.
So, no one else would have the right to be able to call on an official to make a public announcement as to whether a cert existed or not, so how come he did?.
It is not in her remit to issue public statements regarding certificates held there. Someone must have twisted her arm to get her to do something that is most irregular.
The poor woman is now in the position of seeming to be a party in a debate as to why his long form hasn't been produced.

Therefore, what exactly are you arguing? You know Obama was born in Hawaii, but you want to "see the long form"....why exactly? What do you think will be on that which would be a game changer?

Of course it's a game changer. If it can't be produced because he was adopted by the Indonesian step father whilst in Hawaii that changes the game a lot.
Because, once again from the top, we would then need to know how he came to be using the name Obama all over again wouldn't we?