Poor people have low morals so naturally they'd keep having sex and getting abortions because they'd be free. You see, if poor people had morals then they'd be rich.

I have to get one, their giving them away free! It doesn't matter that I don't even have a uterus!

So, this guy is saying Obama's mother would have aborted him for the money? Is Todd Tiahrt really that stupid?

and never, ever works. In this case, especially.

... those were black babies. So abortable, you know.

This country is such a fucked up mess, with people like him running it.

could we go back in time and pay Rep Tiahrt's mother to abort him? Or could we just collect money via the Intertubes and pay some thugs to take him out?

only women carrying black babies consider abortion, right?

Seriously, the GOP seems to *want* to drive voting blocs away. (Or maybe they've just got some 'splaining to do.)

It's interesting that Rep. Tiahrt can only come up with African-Americans who would have been aborted had it been cheap enough. Apparently white folks are immune to this kind of bribery.

Of course, by his "logic," we should not only not publicly fund abortions, we should make them illegal altogether, so women (or, at least, black women) who are going to have children who will contribute to society can't make the mistake of aborting them. I'm sure that's what he actually wants, but didn't want to bring it up while fighting this particular option.

The whole argument based around "but then so-and-so wouldn't have been born!" is, of course, bizarre. For example, anti-choice extremists argue against rape victims getting abortions, because some people who were conceived by rape are good and decent contributors to society. But that doesn't just imply that we shouldn't let them get aborted; it also implies that we should have done nothing to stop the rape. After all, if the rape had been stopped, then that valuable person would never have been born!

In reality, we can celebrate people who are with us today WITHOUT insisting that every step that led to them being here - the manner of their conception, the state of abortion laws during their gestation, etc. - was, in general, a good thing; or the best thing; or ought to have been dictated by law. Not every circumstance that happens to lead to a good result is necessarily a circumstance we want to repeat or force people to undergo.

Personally, I'm not sure I would have picked Clarence Thomas as an example, but that's just me. And it doesn't mean that I wish his mother had gotten an abortion - only that, for reasons having nothing to do with him specifically, I wish she had had the option and it had been affordable. As it should be today.

Why no mention of Hitler's mother? Jefferey Dahlmer's mother? This is a vacuous argument, meant to appeal to emotion in order to deflect any real thought process.

The issue is not "pro-life vs. pro-choice" either. Many in the "pro-life" camp support prison executions, despite so much proof that many innocent people get convicted. Many in the "pro-choice" camp work to eliminate prison execution.

No, it comes down to this simple question: do you believe the state has the right to FORCE a woman, any woman, any young girl, anyone pregnant through any means, including *rape* ~ to complete a pregnancy and bear a child against her will?

A "Yes" to that sounds pretty offensive to me.

I feel sooooo ashamed, I'm not out making out with every nubile I can find to make more babies to make Tiahrt happy that I'm putting my oh so sacred sperm to work to fulfill gawd's inane plan to fill every spot on earth with a human. Actually, I've been celibate for years now because I'm too introverted. I suppose Tiahrt wouldn't be happy unless every woman on the planet is barefoot and pregnant, cooking in the kitchen or on her back in the bedroom.

Why would Todd Tiahrt, who ever he is, feel free to suggest that, if health care were available for free to Obama's mother, she would have aborted him. What an awful suggestion and thought. Why do these guys spill out their inner demons when they speak on the floor of the house? What demons does this guy, Todd Tiahrt, have in his closet? Was he an accidental child, one of those mistakes as stories that parents throw on their kids? Has he had to get abortions for his past girlfriends, feeling guilty about the need after all these year? Has he fathered a child with an African-American woman, and wished he had paid for an abortion? Has he fooled around on his wife, and afraid of having to get an abortion for his girlfriend?

Stay tuned, folks. Something will come out from this guy. Don't forget, he only mentioned African American men. What is his deepest fear?

I do see your point about the Rep. being technically wrong in the details of his appeal, however I believe you may be missing the point the Rep. is desperately - while showing his WHITE ASS awkward lack of knowledge or sympathy for Modern African American Culture - trying to make.

D.C. is often noted by foreign crews of ships I inspect to be a place of interest. Foreigners find it strange that so many impoverished and crime ridden neighborhoods so immediately surround the capital of such a great nation. And it is the very denizens of those areas as well as similar areas across the nation which will opt for the new plan.

Imagine a WHITE GUY! begging to save poor, white and non-white babies!

And then a NOT WHITE GUY signs a bill making it cheaper to kill them!

Hate to break up the technical finger pointing but that's kind of what's going on here.

So yeah, sorry the evil WHITE GUY got some facts wrong while trying to get the attention of the infanticidal NOT WHITE GUY.