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Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:00 AM

Reversing Bush decision, U.S. to sign U.N. gay rights declaration

The U.S. was the only Western government not to endorse the document last year.

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Wednesday, March 18, 2009 08:12 AM

Reason enough to sign it...

"More than 50 countries, including the Vatican and members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, oppose it."

Just look who's against it, and that is reason enough to sign it.

But seriously---like with so many things these days, IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME!

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 08:30 AM

now the next step...

Stop discriminating against gay people in our own country.

Repeal DOMA, and Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and allow gay people to enjoy the same marriage rights as straight people.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 08:35 AM

Bush Administration's 'reason' for not signing declaration...

as usual defies reason, quote:

At the time, the AP said that "U.S. officials expressed concern in private talks that some parts of the declaration might be problematic in committing the federal government on matters that fall under state jurisdiction. In numerous states, landlords and private employers are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation; on the federal level, gays are not allowed to serve openly in the military."

Even the conservative US Supreme Court declared that making homosexuality illegal (at either the state or federal level) was unconstitutional. So much for 'state jurisdiction'.

As for Landlords and private employers, they can discriminate against lots of things that are not 'illegal' (e.g. poor credit ratings, bad grammar, having poor references, etc.). Just because the US agrees with the UN that being gay should not be CRIMINALIZED does not mean landlords are forced to rent to gays. The same reasoning applies to the military. Conservatives are having to use more and more tortured logic to keep gays in their place as second class citizens. As this fact becomes more apparent to the average well informed citizen, it hurts the cause of Conservatism. The 'tipping point' is here on gay equality. Conservatives would be well advised to take notice.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 08:45 AM

A step in the right direction

This is the least the U.S. can do - it's now finally caught up to 1983. Only two and a half decades to go...

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 08:46 AM

But then Salon would been on the other side of the table from their adoring Muslim dictators

Rock and a hard place, Sylla and Charybdis. I would rather all the gay people perish than be one inch in favor of the dreaded evil racist apartheid zionist blood drinking monster.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 08:54 AM

Of course the Bush administration wouldn't sign it...

Most of their base wants to see homosexuality RE-criminalized! Just look at the hissy fit they threw over "Lawrence v. Texas".

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 09:06 AM

This will cause...

...complete apoplexy from the American Family Association, et al.

Ah, it feels GOOD! Maybe they'll all fall into a catatonic stupor as a result, and finally SHUT UP.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 09:45 AM

Implications for UCMJ?

Does this mean that the US intends to remove sodomy from the list of criminal offenses in the Uniform Code of Military Justice? A few years ago the National Institute for Military Justice convened the Cox Commission, which developed several recommendations for the re-vamping of all the UCMJ's provisions on sexual misconduct. The Cox Commission transmitted its recommendations to the appropriate House and Senate Committees as well as the Pentagon, but as far as I'm aware its recommendations have never been implemented.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:01 AM

Obama feigns support of gays/lesbian but in actuality he hurt us far more

by increasing the amount of our tax revenue that goes to churches who actively try to take away our rights via Prop. 8, etc.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:05 AM

@ Rav Zeus

Your sarcastic comments really only go to show that Greenwald and other Salon writers are quite correct to point out how it is utterly impossible for an American Liberal (but not an Israeli one) criticize certain distasteful POLICIES of the govt. of Israel. Do so at one's own peril! Criticize policies of a foreign government because you love Jews, Jewish Culture and want the best for Israel, and you be cursed and called antisemitic by vituperative countrymen. In fact you'll be attacked even in a forum like this one which had NOTHING to do with Israel (the issue was the US position on gay rights, remember?!). Please take some well meant advice: using such a flimsy excuse as this PARTICULAR letters section topic to sarcastically bash critics of Israeli policy, rather than persuading anyone, is only going to make you and your views look shrill and unhinged.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 01:39 PM

It's Wrong Period

People and goverrnments who are for same sex marriage and same sex this and same sex that should read Romans ONE starting at verse 26 which says it's wrong period.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 03:07 PM

Kilroy, Kilroy, Kilroy...

Last time I looked (maybe not recently enough) this country was NOT YET called "The United States of Christendom". You can quote the bible all you want, and I could quote Greek Mythology, but neither has any bearing on a secular republic. I could tell you that according to even Christian Mythology, gluttany, avarice and sloth are also sins. By your logic, this means we should take the civil rights away from fat, greedy, lazy Wall Street execs. (Ok maybe that not a good example, you might be right on that one). My point is, when we start pulling the civil rights of people defined as sinners by any one person's religion, things become unworkable fast.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 07:17 PM

The Pope Wears Red Boots

He waltzes through Israel in his white dress and his red Gucci boots telling the rest of the world how to live. His Church has been wrong about so many basic things: the Earth is round, we revolve around the sun, Jews and everyone else needs to be converted, you can buy an indulgence and the Pope can guarantee your trip to Heaven...... JP2 absolved Galileo after 400 years and he finally got to go through the pearly gates.

Sounds more like sci fi than anything else.

Who's to say he's not wrong about some of his spew now???????

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