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Friday, October 3, 2008 12:00 AM

McCain camp releases disingenuous ad on taxes

John McCain's latest spot repeats a previously debunked claim that Barack Obama "voted 94 times for higher taxes."

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Saturday, October 4, 2008 07:35 AM

McCain Camp's Lying Ads

The McCain campaign is using the old Nazi technique of "The Big Lie," perfected by Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Goebbels. The idea is that if you tell a lie often enough people will soon begin to believe it. McCain's team keeps running false information even after it has been publicly exposed as a lie. As the polls go against him, look for McCain to employ this tactic ever more frequently. His once-valid claim to personal honesty, integrity and honor is now in tatters.

Friday, October 3, 2008 03:22 PM

I don't get it.

Why don't the Dems do a better job of pointing out the fact that when Republicans talk about Dems raising taxes, they are really talking about raising taxes on the wealthy. It's these tactics that get stupid, lower middle class "low information voters" to back Republican policies that benefit the wealthy.

Biden had a perfect opportunity in yesterday's debate when Palin used that same 94 votes line and punted.

Friday, October 3, 2008 02:33 PM

Gads...you KNOW McCain's in trouble!

He's got his very own PA (personal assistant) working the astroturfing beat right on Salon!

Poor old bastard. He really shouldn't be expected to care for himself these days. Just look at the messes he finds himself in.

Friday, October 3, 2008 01:45 PM

Welcome Gov. Palin

"So please, if your going to spin, give the facts on both sides."

Who else could manage to weave together a self-contradicting sentence with such panache.

And I think you need to add a "job" to the end of your "far left nut" reference. We're liberal and one-sided here but we try to keep it clean.

Wink. Wink.

Friday, October 3, 2008 01:21 PM

Looks like I've Found

one of the far left nut websites I heard so much about! Just reading through some of the post I hear one thing loud and clear.....fear! The combined McCain/Palin "Maverick" team is inching ahead and you know it, so embrace your fear for it will get you through your loss in this electrion.

We all know that there is always going to be some degree of spin in every campaign but why are you all only pointing out one side of it? A small sample to educate the far left, factcheck.org said:

"An Obama-Biden radio ad hammers McCain for being opposed to stem cell research. Not true. Meanwhile two spots from the McCain-Palin campaign, together with the Republican National Committee, describe McCain's support for the research; they're largely accurate.

By saying that "John McCain has stood in the way – he's opposed stem cell research,"the Obama ad seriously misstates the view that McCain has held on this issue since 2001, when he began backing embryonic stem cell research, a position that was out of step with that of many of his fellow Republicans."

So please, if your going to spin, give the facts on both sides.

Friday, October 3, 2008 01:03 PM

translation

LIBERAL LIBERAL TAXES BAD LIBERAL.

BOOGA BOOGA.

Friday, October 3, 2008 12:56 PM

Apparently...

...They're counting on the fact that no one watched the debate last night.

Otherwise, how moronic does a campaign have to be to pay for a national ad the central tenet of which was debunked in a very major way on every major network last night? Who starts repeating a lie, right after it's been shown to be a lie?

Just when you think McSame can't hit a new low...

Friday, October 3, 2008 12:52 PM

The thing about lying ...

... is that to be effective, you first must have a shred of credibility behind it. By now, anyone with a pulse and operational frontal lobe knows the McCain campaign regularly plays fast and loose with the facts (not that the Obama campaign doesn't, but not NEARLY to the degree the McCain folks do). Thus, any claim they make is instantly fact-checked at one of the umpteen-thousand web sites that perform such services. Thus, with the narrative already being set, with every disingenuous ad and claim they make, they just dig themselves a deeper hole.

Keep 'em coming, Johnny & Sarah!

Friday, October 3, 2008 12:20 PM

An obvious lie

The ad obviously tries to convince voters of something that is demonstrably untrue - that Senator Obama would raise the middle class' taxes.

Since it's central to the Obama economic strategy to actually cut taxes on people making less than 250,000 a year it's not like the Republicans can be honestly mistaken.

Perhaps the Democrats need to rebut this in an ad about Senator Obama's actual tax plan while pointing out that the Republicans are outright lying about it.

Republicans have the old "tax and spend liberal" and "liberal media" stereotypes they've been using for years. It's about time the Republicans are constantly referred to as dishonest extremists isn't it?

Friday, October 3, 2008 12:16 PM

Mc Same a tax raiser too!

Instead of getting into techie explanations for this, use Biden's retort when Palin made the same claim last night. By applying the same measure, Mc Same's voted to increase taxes over 300 times. Argument over.

Friday, October 3, 2008 12:16 PM

It's silly even from a lying standpoint

Ninety-four feels wrong. Most viewers are going to feel it's an exaggeration, even if it were true. McCain should've just said "Obama voted for raising taxes a hundred bazillion times".

Friday, October 3, 2008 11:59 AM

To quote Cariboo Barbie: Say it ain't so Joe....

A Republican lying? Really?!

I'm at a loss for words, so I'll refer back to the Great White Moose Hunter:

You betcha!

Friday, October 3, 2008 11:58 AM

This happens every election - it's a common tactic that isn't completely false

They use procedural votes or anything that goes for one bill to consider it a "vote for higher taxes".

They've used this again and again and every time someone debunks it but it's not completely false.

This is politics, I'm not sure why you or anyone else here doesn't already know this.

Friday, October 3, 2008 11:57 AM

It doesn't work anymore

Do these dimwits not realize that a majority of the general public have wised up to the old adage that a lie repeated endlessly becomes the truth? If they're not careful they'll flip the public to the position that anything with "Republican" attached to it is assumed to be a lie and any angry idea that's repeated ad nauseum can absolutely not be trusted?

Friday, October 3, 2008 11:53 AM

"McCain camp releases disingenuous ad ...."

"In other news, dog bites man, a bear shits in the woods, and the Pope attends a Catholic Mass. But first, the weather. Chet?"

"Thanks, Alex. It's raining today, which means that things will almost certainly get wet."

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