After 9/11 we had to go there(or somewhere)... or anywhere?

And if you keep saying "that's the truth" enough, people will believe you like sheep. Just ask Lintball. (My sincerest apologies to any sheep I may have offended.)

We went to Iraq to gain the upper hand we lost in the Clinton years,who cut the intelligence budget in half every year.After 9/11 we had to go there(or somewhere) or defend here.That is the truth you don't want to hear.The policies we've tried ala Carter/Clinton created these messes.There are recordings of Suddam talking to his cabinet that were seized after the invasion telling them that the French had assured him that the US would not attack and the "Oil for Food" scam they had going would continue to profit them.Why don't you research that or is it easier to be a blind Kool-aid drinker and just spout the party talking points.These are the old systems that did not work.We learned not to outsource our intelligence to our so called allies(France,Germany,Russia).To go back would be folly.What could we do just tell the world Clinton gave away our intelligence capabilities and we need a few years to build them back?Bush will be remembered much like Truman,he did the dirty job that would not be appreciated in his time.Bush was a success if just for the fact he kept Al Gore from office(who would have been elected if his own state of Tennessee,the people who know him best,had voted for him)No war is fought without mistakes and I don't care if Osama still thumbs his nose at us as long as it continues to be from the inside of some bleak cave.We have made solid gains it would be stupid to give them up.Most people in Iraq are glad we came.Cut down the grammer,message still you can't deny the truth.

You may not "win the war," but win the award for the best URL hanging off the edge of the page in an incomprehensible fashion.

Re: "Then why the hell did Bush demand tax cuts on the eve of launching a never-ending $2 billion-a-week war?"

Because George W. Bush does not believe that anyone making more than $1 millin a year should pay any taxes at all, on anything. As Leona Helmsley said, "taxes are for the little people".

Then why the hell did Bush demand tax cuts on the eve of launching a never-ending $2 billion-a-week war?

a giant welfare state.

The only Iraqis who don't want the US to withdraw are the Sunni sheiks. Who said you have to be a US corporate honcho to make a 100 million dollars a year. This is the average payoff for a Sunni sheik/warlord to NOT kill US soldiers, and the dollar goes much further in Iraq than in the USA.

I've met and had discussions with libertyaintfree types, and there's certainly enough like-minded half-wits out there to throw this election to McCain. They come in all shapes and sizes, from Southern panhandle rednecks to Appalachian mountain hicks to South Florida elderly Jewish ladies and on and on. They are a demographic. A demographic of the stupid. And they have no small say in this here Idiocracy.

As far as I'm concerned, wherever these systems have ended up in use, it amounts to incompetence, criminality, or both.

Keep in mind that Diebold also builds ATM's, so they know how to build systems with proper audit trail and accountability. It is hard to see how they botched their voting machines the way they did unless they intended to.

St. McCain, like Dick(head) Cheney, knows what's best for the country, even if that means ignoring American voters. Like Cheney, St. McCain says "So?" when confronted with the fact that polls show that 60+ percent of Americans want a timeline to pull troops out of Iraq.

In states where Diebold is counting a majority of the votes, Barak Obama has already lost.

Well, it's not quite that simple. True, people can ignore some pretty blatant discrepancies, especially if what little coverage that happens is accompanied by dismissive eye-rolling (ie: 2000, 2004). But they can't just make the numbers up, either.

To be honest, I don't know how much actual vote-count cheating has happened, as opposed to how much affect the various vote-suppression techniques have had. But the thing I find outrageous about Diebold (aka Premier Election solutions [sic]) and other such systems is not so much that they've been used to cheat, but that there's no way of finding out whether they've been used to cheat. There's no meaningful way of checking.

As far as I'm concerned, wherever these systems have ended up in use, it amounts to incompetence, criminality, or both.

In any case, I'm taking polls even less seriously this time around than I usually do. Especially as the "Bradley Effect" can be blamed for polling/voting discrepancies this time.

If you didn’t then you should. Though the title claims that the Democrats don’t want to lower gas prices the article itself quoted nothing of the sort from the Democrats. The Democrats realize, as most Americans do, that we need to move away from oil and that drilling off our coasts or in ANWR will have little to no effect.

T. Boone Pickens, who has forgotten more about the oil industry than most of us will ever know, realizes that we can’t “Drill our way out of this problem”. If you haven’t seen it yet then check out his latest video on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bOug1d20c

should be a sober reminder to all of those predicting an Obama landslide. He/she represents the 30% or so of the electorate that is so closed-minded that after seven years of slam-dunk evidence still don't have a clue or know any better than to regurgitate the lies/lines that neocons have been using to justify their immorality and stupidity since 9/11. Jesus Christ could be running as a democrat and this 30% block still wouldn't vote for him. It is a lost cause. And then when you add the bigots and those who just aren't really paying attention you're talking about another 15 to 20%. If you were alive in 2004, there's just no way that you could have any confidence that Obama is going to have an easy time of it. And if you're thinking landslide, you're either a hardcore optimist -- which I hope is the case -- or delusional. The guy has had a good week -- so far. But it is July.