You're the one who is nuts if you think you can bring some dumb bullshit to an argument and just call people crazy when they disagree with you or react to your bullshit.

It's not about insults - it is about issues that affect people's lives in powerful and meaningful ways. Just because you haven't put a lot of thought into your positions and people call you on it doesn’t mean they are crazy- it means you're intellectually lazy. You have a lot of company but I wouldn't say it was good company.

Maybe you should think a little bit about where you stand- or not get so defensive when people call you on your shallow reading of things- or learn to bring more game if you really believe in something and argue for it instead of hurling insults at those who call you out.

I give up, you all win.

If you go looking for insults in everything you read, your going to find insults in everything you read.

You can't have an adult conversation with anyone anymore about anything. This world has grown an incredibly thin skin.

Good luck to you all.

Just because pregnancy is natural, doesn't mean it's always healthy.

Obesity is a natural response to overeating, and yet insurance will pay for stomach reduction surgery. Because they figure the surgery is cheaper than the lifetime of other medical costs obesity can generate.

Of course, bcpills do more than prevent unplanned pregnancies. They regulate erratic menstrual cycles (like my bay sitter, who had her period 18 out of 28 days every month until she went on bc); reduce hormonal surges that can accompany menstruation (which can cause severe mood swings, but also migraines, body aches, nausea and other miserable symptoms in some women); relieves the pain from endometriosis and fibroids: any and all of which can clearly be labeled "a medical condition." Bc pills allow women greater control over their reproductive health. The pill is a safe and effective medication that improves quality of life. Just. Like. Viagra et al.

Of course, Viagra is a "chemical" that can be unnecessarily "pumped into" a body, and have "nasty side effects" to boot. Even the ads say to "seek medical attention" if your erection lasts 4+ hours.

And, as so many posters have pointed out here and on other threads, ed is often a *completely* *natural* (ie, non-medical) response to an aging or out-of-shape body.

I did read your posts - you said:

If your junk doesn't work in the way nature intended, that's a medical problem. If your junk works just fine but you want to stop it from working, that's not a medical problem.

Dumb argument that someone already countered but it sounds like the religious/moralist argument people make against BCPs being covered under insurance.

Then later:

I agree that birth control and sex education should be easily available. Condoms are cheap and easily available and they don't require a woman to pump chemicals into her body that may cause nasty side effects when the woman is healthy to begin with. Get your partner to put a condom on.

You bring in many issues and your other statements that have nothing to do with cost. But you later conclude the point is that you “don't give a shit what anyone does with/to their body. Seems people just want someone else to pay for everything they do.”

I don't know exactly why you oppose birth control being covered under insurance since you're all over the map but seem to think condoms are the answer for everyone. You’re free to choose whatever method of birth control you prefer. People choose the method that works for them but it is important to remember that condoms are not as effective as hormonal birth control. Also, since STIs are less of a concern for people in a long-term relationship, condoms may not be the right choice for them.

But because people require insurance in order to meet their health needs and to be able to afford their prescriptions, that is why it is necessary to ensure insurance carriers do not discriminate in what types of medicine they will cover. No one is asking for a handout of free meds- they are asking that the insurance they have to pay for in order to meet their health needs doesn’t tell them they have to pay for a certain medication out of pocket because of someone else’s religious/moral beliefs - or in your case apparently an aversion to chemicals or just a strong desire to tell others what to do.

One can argue that there is not a clear parallel between ED and the need/desire to use birth control. But both are legitimate medications that meet legitimate health needs and the comparison is brought up to show the hypocrisy of those who say they don’t believe birth control should be covered. There is no reason either medication they should be excluded from any health plan. I need to make payments to my insurance and co-payments when I fill a prescription- I’m not getting for anything for free. I would happily pay straight up cash money for all of my prescriptions and any medical treatment if that were a viable option but with the inflated cost of care insurance is the way most people have to go.

You are the one who needs to calm down. Please tell me what on earth from my post made you think I was upset. I just stated the facts. The point is that insurance companies now pay more often for Viagra-type drugs than they pay for birth control. Go reread my post and you will see that discussion had to do with parity. Either pay for both or pay for neither.

Also, as to your absurdly personal remarks, I am past the age of childbearing and the only child I ever had was planned. To move as you did from debate to the personal reveals that you harbor a bit of insecurity.

In case you haven't noticed, plenty of people are having babies. It would be in our interest probably if fewer people did. I think a zero population growth goal would be a good one. Thus fewer men getting it up and fewer women having babies might be worth paying for.

Just something to think about.

Thinking: It's a good thing.

Reading: Also a good thing.

Assuming facts not in evidence: Dumb thing.