Re: "while Obama participated in the bipartisan talks last year that crafted the bill, he later pushed for an amendment supported by unions that would have helped kill the legislation if it had passed."

Typical Obama. Is there any issue he doesn't take both sides of?

As opposed to McCain's (or Hillary’s?) principled and consistent stands on ... what exactly?

Hillary lost, time to get over it.

McCain has taken so many positions in the discussion of immigration policy that he could stage a series of debates all by himself. I have given up trying to understand whether he supports the mainstream GOP views on this or not. I am sure that Latino and other voters are not duped by this latest ad campaign. Like the preposterous gas tax holiday proposal, this is a case of pandering pure and simple.

It was apparent to me during the primaries that neither Hillary nor Obama was particularly liberal or progressive, and it is why I and a whole slew of Salon readers rated these two at the bottom of our choices. If we wanted someone who would be tough and stand up for liberal values, we should have nominated Dodd (and in descending order, other Democratic aspirants with Obama and Hillary at the bottom).

Karenn22 -- Elvis is right. Get over it. The idea that Hillary wasn't on the same two sides of every issue as Obama is laughable. Even in the Fisa vote on Wednesday, she voted in both directions. She is not a liberal and not a progressive. And there is no issue -- just like Obama -- over which she couldn't and wouldn't straddle the line.

This applies to both parties on the issue of immigration. Intuitively, Dems want to be inclusive and, of course, hammer the Right on perceived and actual bias (see Pat Buchanan). OTOH, Dems are supported in huge ways by unions whose members are fighting tooth and nail with both outsourced labor and immigrant labor.

The GOP has mostly been consistent on immigration, with the exception of Bush and McCain. They don't want them in our country and exploit every fear in the process. McCain tried to mimic Bush by developing a guest worker bill and got killed among his own voters. After trashing his own bill during the primary, he is now in the unenviable position of having to curry favor with a constituency he desperately needs.

I have a feeling that latinos, particularly those who care deeply about immigration reform, won't be buying what McCain is selling. Perhaps not Obama either but they know they have more real "friends" mon our side thatn in the GOP.

You both brought Hillary into this discussion, not me. And if "getting over it" means to shut up and never critcize the nominee, even when he lies, you're nuts. That's what got us into this mess.

I brought Hillary into the conversation because, well, I don't know, maybe your posting history? You know, stuff like 'Hillary will win', 'Hillary is electable' and my particular favorite 'Obama does not deserve any Michigan delegates'.

Are you saying you don't have an ax to grind and that you think Obama is so diffent from any other politician?

Or that Hillary is? By all means point me to the politician who doesn't try to appeal to both sides on most issues during an election year. As always we are left with choosing the lesser of two evils, so what are you going to do? Vote for a few more intellectual giants on the supreme court like Thomas and Scalia? Bush is living proof that no matter how depressing these choices are, they do have consequences. Stop fighting the last battle and think about the future.