When will Sen. Obama come out and say this, " Yes I have a September 10th mindset and it is called WISDOM and I hope that it never leaves me!"

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"This is the same kind of fearmongering that got us into Iraq... It's exactly that failed foreign policy I want to reverse."

He forgot to add "unless I am with McCain and Hilldog and we are having a pandering competition at an AIPAC conference".

Then, today, the McCain campaign brought out reinforcements in the form of former New York City mayor and failed Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani.

You forgot to add "Future Attorney General", should McCain win. Yikes! How scary would that be!?

But, putting the back and forth aside, the debate serves as a reminder of the significant differences between the approaches of Obama and McCain concerning national security.

Unless it involves Israel.

It's all nonsense either way. There is no such thing as terrorism in the US. Screaming about 911 is like fighting the War on Volcanoes.

In his 2004 report on Abu Ghraib, Major General Anthony Taguba concluded "numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees." He called the abuse "systemic and illegal". Now, in his preface to a Physicians for Human Rights' report on medical examinations of former detainees, Gen. Taguba states:

“In order for these individuals to suffer the wanton cruelty to which they were subjected, a government policy was promulgated to the field whereby the Geneva Conventions and the Uniform Code of Military Justice were disregarded. The UN Convention Against Torture was indiscriminately ignored. There is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.”

Is Nuremburg booked for January 21, 2009? We could arrest Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld at Obama's inauguration, extraordinarily render them for trial that afternoon and start the war crimes trial bright and early the next day.

I can see why they'd want Giuliani as their Attorney General. He cleaned up the crime scene after 9/11 and he can be counted on to squash or media manage any further push for hearings and putting those responsible for 9/11 on trial. He's a stooge, but he's THEIR STOOGE. Just like Saddam Hussein used to be when they gave him all those chemical weapons and all that money and told him they had no problem with him invading Kuwait.

Lets see....

Before September 11th the Bush administration..

1. Wanted to go to war with Iraq.

2. Wanted to push through massive tax cuts for the rich.

After September 11th the Bush administration...

1. Went to war with Iraq and diverted resources from the real war on terrorism.

2. Gave massive tax cuts to the rich which bankrupted the country during a time of war.

Who has the September 10th mindset?

The Bush administration used September 11th to justify everything they wanted to do on September 10th. Unbelievable.

Yup. Giuliani as AG would be the equivalent of appointing an incestuous rubber stamp with a lisp.

It is simply improper to say "voters will have a choice between two competing security ideologies." One of these so-called "ideologies" is predicated on dispensing with the Constitution, aggressively promoting torture, etc. Upholding one's oath (as all elected officials are called upon to do) to that document isn't an option--that word won't be found in the oath--and to imply that such a choice exists (competing ideologies) is just wrong. It's true that we haven't had the proper, necessary and aggressive enforcement of our laws thanks to a politically tone deaf and cowardly Congress, but that doesn't mean that our system of governance, via the founding document, has been rendered irrelevant.

Similarly, the differences between Obama and McCain aren't merely a matter of "approaches" regarding national security. This is a matter of the legal foundation upon which our society is built. Obama appropriately said that al Qaeda, et. al., can be dealt with "within the constraints of our Constitution." That is the proper, legal position.

If McCain, Giuliani, Scheunemann, Lieberman and anyone else want to argue that Obama is reflecting a "September 10" view, they're free to do so. But the least that responsible journalists can do is identify these positions for what they are--and that means refusing to call them "competing ideologies."

Anything Giuliani says in favor of McCain is ultimately going to benefit the Dems.

Rudy is the guy who cannot speak a sentence without invoking 9/11.

More significantly, he is a former candidate who saw his approval rating drop everywhere he campaigned.

Kind of like the way the two ideologies compete to give the Bush Administration whatever it wants, every cent the administration asks for to fund the war, every police state power it requests, every fascist friend it wants to protect?

ahhaha...wow.

OK so i read this article and it says in every OTHER arena people trust Obama more than McCain...only on TIS issue McCain has an upper hand.

wow. This is great news!

Obama's foreign policy makes SENSE no matter how dangerous our enemies.

He says: let's get out of there carefully and sooner than later. to facilitate that we must do some simple things that every American can understand.

First we have to give Iraq an incentive to get its act together. Let's say you have a 25 year old college grad son living on your living room couch. He doesn't pat rent, doesn't have a job (though he claims to be looking) and doesn't pay for food. If you tell him he must be out in six months (and you mean it), guess what will happen? He's going to get his shit together. We must do the same with the Iraqi government. for years we've given them money to try to help them with their infrastructure but they haven't made much progress. Time to let them know we're about to leave.

While we're doing that, we must understand and appreciate the real threat Iran imposes. Not only on Iraq but on the entire region. But Iraq, Israel and the U.S. are NOT the only people who have a strong interest in reigning in Iran. SO we have to talk to the neighbors...some of whom are not our allies.

If you have a wildfire brining behind your house, you could grab your water hose and try to put it out by yourself BUT it would be best to knock on your next door neighbor's doors and enlist them to help. And they will. Why? Is it because they want to save your house? NO. Its because YOUR house is very close to theirs.

So Obama's foreign policy is just THAT SIMPLE. The will not be easy but it makes a lot more sense than McCain's *let's keep trying what we're doing and see if there's an improvement* policy. I had a pastor who said often, just because something is simple doesn't mean its easy.

If he can communicate this effectively (and add someone like Wesley Clark to the ticket) McCain will have nothing.