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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Rep. Kucinich introduces articles of impeachment

The maverick Ohio lawmaker took up the House floor for hours Monday reading his list of President Bush's alleged crimes, but the effort is certain to come to naught.

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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:41 AM

hmmmm...

I don't know if it's quite the same thing though...

President Clinton was impeached over a matter that was largely considered embarassing and personal, and this is what lead to it being seen unfavorably by a number of people.

I think an impeachment of the current administration on the issue of falsified intelegence or some such charge would be viewed differntly.

I guess the question is, does the congress want to take that chance?

More importantly, is there a statute of limitations on Treason? Couldn't these charges be brought after the gentleman leaves office? And no one is available to issue a pardon?

That's a thought.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:42 AM

you are probably right that it doesnt matter...

But the thing that seems so unfair is if there was a Democrat in the oval office, and a fringe far right republican was presenting articles of impeachment for even the most ridiculous reasons, it would be HUGE news!

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:43 AM

It's Unfortunate

That it takes a "maverick" representative to actually call bullshiat on the administration's criminal activities. Yes, yes, political expediency, I know. I'm immature enough to want to see Bush et al. in a perp-walk on all major news channels.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:47 AM

You're right

The news here isn't that Kucinich has formally accused Shrub of high crimes and misdemeanors but that Shrub has been committing high crimes and misdemeanors and everybody knows it and yet no one will call him to account for them.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:48 AM

Good for him

Barack's already said he'll hold any Bush Administration officials reponsible for crimes, including war crimes, when he's elected.

Keep it up Dennis!

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:49 AM

Why don't you ask the families of the 4000+dead

if they think it's stupid and un=newsworthy. The crackpot in this story isn't Kucinich, it's the asshole who lied us into this morass, that's who.Him and his neo con murderers. So peddle your un-news-worthiness to some other unethical and moral-less non story. You can start with the not-so-important one dealing with legalizing torture...

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:49 AM

Impeach after the election

Note that impeachment is not conviction, but I strongly think that the Congress should vote articles of impeachment, as that would make it impossible for W to pardon everyone on his last day in office.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:50 AM

treason

Killing 4000 America service persons by fraud is not the same as lying under oath about fucking the intern. Killing 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis by Fraud is not the same as embarrassing 200,000,000 Americans. The time for impeachment is gone now it is time for the treason trail.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:51 AM

Can you rewrite history any faster???

"The impeachment of President Clinton did the Republicans little good politically, and impeaching Bush now might very well diminish the substantial advantage Democrats currently have with voters. Plus, Bush has little more than half a year remaining in his term."

Yes winning the White House and both houses of Congress (Until Jim Jeffords woke up)in 2000 was a pretty rough blow for the Republicans. Gee it gave the MSM reason to marginalize Clinton/Gore as liars, thugs and awful people so that dead Iraqis could celebrate their liberty 5 years later. Yeah that worked out pretty swell for the Dems.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:51 AM

A Right WIng Blog, hidden deep inside Salon, that's NEWS!

The impeachment of President Clinton did the Republicans little good politically (They just won eight years in the White House with a subnormal candidate)

...and impeaching Bush now might very well diminish the substantial advantage Democrats currently have with voters.

(Don't start counting that Democratic advantage too soon, there is a big split among women who think Hillary got the shaft)

Some liberals in the blogosphere are complaining about the dearth of coverage of Kucinich's resolution.

I have to disagree -- as I've pointed out before, when discussing complaints of liberal bias from the right, the media is in the business of covering news.

(I turned off NBC last night when they opened their program with weather,weather,weather. It's summer time, and they don't do substantive reporting during the summer, yada yada. Since when did the MSM ever do its job, since 2001?)

This barely qualifies; if it deserves mention in the mainstream media at all (judgemental, badly judgemental on your part)

but the action of a lone congressman who's widely considered something of a laughingstock (He ran for President, and received consideration. Is Ron Paul a laughing stock, Ross Perot?? Prejudicial and judgemental.

Take a vacation Alex, you don't do news during the summer. Everyone knows that.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:54 AM

It's up to us

The press and political reaction to this has been the predictable "YAWN", but since reading about this and telling all my friends about it the consensus popular reaction has been the total opposite: "YAAAAY!". Even people who are almost completely politically disengaged perked up and were really happy to hear that this has been done. Several even called their representatives for the very first time to urge support for Kucinich.

I'm done waiting for our professional class of democrateers to wake the hell up and realize that a full and open airing of this administrations’ crimes is what this country needs to move forward with our eyes open about the damage that has been done to our national character. Not to mention that these two assholes have a collective approval rating about as high as a hot turd on the sidewalk.

It really boils down to this for me, if lying about a blowjob warrants impeachment, how on EARTH doesn’t lying us into an unnecessary war demand the same treatment?

For those who may think this is an exercise in futility, you should know that Congress lives by the ratio of 1:13000, which means that for every 1 person who contacts them about an issue, they figure there are 12,999 more who care just as much but for whatever reason haven’t bothered to make the call. As we all know politicians are pretty spineless, the only problem is that right now we’re not the ones with our foots on their collective throat. Time to change that.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:54 AM

A truth commission after the election will be more practical and just.

It will take months and years to dig through all the scandals, sleaze, graft to find out what Bush and his henchmen have been up to.

If someone comes forward and tells the entire truth to the commission they are forgiven, if not they are tried for their crimes.

And an awful lot of the big things these clowns have done, (like knowingly lying us into a completely unnecessary war, killing over 4000 US servicemen, between 100,000 and a quarter million Iraqis, allowing his political buddies to profit from the war and so on), are starting to sound like a level of treason that screams for the death penalty.

This is where these repugs have brought us, we very well may se the first US president sent to prison for crimes committed while in office. I expect Obama would pardon Bush to avoid the spectical of a former president being executed, but that does not mean Bush would not deserve it.

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