Just pathetic.

Hillary would have a much harder time making her case if the media wouldn't keep repeating the mantra, "the popular vote." Basic civics people. We elect nominees and presidents too using elected delegates. That's it.

Harold "say anything" Ickes was confronted by his staggering hypocrisy on Meet the Press this morning. Russert reminded him how he insisted that Tim repeat after him, "it's the delegates" way, way back in December 2007. Ickes's response to this exposure was a huge tell, he convulsively blinked his eyes and gave a tight grin. His reply was" well, things change.."

Oh, really? The delegate system has changed? When and how Harold?

"New Math" is giving Obama delegates in Michigan that he didn't win. If he 'wins' the nomination by the same or fewer number of delegates than he was awarded by the committee, then Hillary should take it to the convention.

And shameful. The hijinx just keep coming from the Clinton campaign. I'm saddened that she has gone this route at all, let alone for weeks on end. Early on, I would have been happy enough with most any of the Dem candidates, but at this point I'd be sorely disappointed if it somehow turned out to be Clinton. We don't need four more years of "truthiness." I wish her well going forward, but I'm glad she won't be doing it as the Democratic nominee. I hope she will eventually look back and realize that at some point she went into the gutter during this campaign, then make a decision never to do so again.

The "new math" is asking the Rules Committee to retroactively change agreed-on rules governing past elections and expecting the committee to do so in the manner most favorable to oneself.

The rules genie is unpredictable, and probably best left in the bottle.

The only problem is she is trying to take the rest of the country with her.

New Hampshire violated the rules at least as much as Michigan and Florida (where teh GOP legislature did it deliberately knowing what an inept boob Howard Dean is). Nobama and his shills didn't object to New Hampshire thought because they thought they were going to take it. In the end there wasn't enough AA's to race-bait I guess, and not enough rightwingers to vote for him.

So if NH's votes are seated than so should be Michigan's and Floridas by "the rules" (big leftwing collective communial wail)

"New Math is giving Obama delegates in Michigan that he didn't win. If he 'wins' the nomination by the same or fewer number of delegates than he was awarded by the committee, then Hillary should take it to the convention."

Nobody won delegates in Michigan. The primary was, per party rules and common sense, declared specious. All delegates awarded to either candidate yesterday from Florida and Michigan were given via a deus ex machina mechanism designed solely to begin the party's recuperation process in those two states. By party rules, they should have been ignored entirely, so Clinton actually did quite well in this compromise and still trails by all reasonable measures. If she fights the nomination beyond next week, or if she fails to campaign effectively for Obama in the general, she may have no political future in the Democratic Party. It is clearly time to unite behind Obama and get to the pressing work of beating McCain, who is upfront in telling us all that he will provide four more years of Bush/Cheney. Hey, I liked Kucinich, but he didn't win, and I'll be voting for Obama wholeheartedly.

he's lost every major big electoral Democratic state along with a whole slew of others he claimed he'd win from Texas to Indiana.

It's past time to send the ambitious albatross , his vulgar disgusting wife, and his obnoxious supporters packing.

...if Obama had simply pulled out of all of the largest states, he would be ahead even further in the popular vote.

There was nothing wrong with asking the committee to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations. You seem to forget that officials from those states also wanted their delegations seated. If the committee thought their penalty was so important, they would have said no.

It's one thing to seat the delegates, but it's another to re-allocate votes. The committee gave Obama votes he didn't win. What gives them the right to override the voters? Nothing. Donna Brazille Nut has no business overriding voters.

The committee wanted it both ways. They wanted to seat the delegates so that Michigan wouldn't be angry and stay home this fall, but they also wanted to make sure their chosen candidate, Obama, kept his lead. So they just took it upon themselves to give him votes that he didn't win.

Then our media steps in and makes it seem legitimate. What a sham.

Her vote margin in Florida is ???? . I know the delegate split was roughly 3.2 for Clinton to 2.0 for Obama in Florida.

I would expect the Michigan vote margin to split as the compromise in delegates were split.

That is, for every 13 votes, Clinton gets 7 and Obama 6. No one would say that Obama deserves zero votes in Michigan. Thus the margin is estimated at 30,000.

The 140,000 vote margin won by Hillary in Puerto Rico will be erased by the addition of likely vote margins in South Dakota and Montana on June 3rd.

Hillary would have had her ass handed to her. Period. Somebody please, kill the Wicked Witch!

Re: "No one would say that Obama deserves zero votes in Michigan."

I would. His name wasn't on the ballot. He voluntarily took his name off the ballot and his surrogates urged his supporters to vote for Uncommitted. The Uncommitted delegates were supposed to be seated at the convention as free agents. That was what was in the Michigan voters guide when the people voted.

And that election was not a sham. It was certified by the Michigan Secretary of State, and the DNC has no power to nullify it.

Re: "Hillary would have had her ass handed to her. Period. Somebody please, kill the Wicked Witch!"

Dream on, you sexist loser. Obama lost OH and PA. There is no evidence that he would be able to win a big state like MI.