Carville would have stood firm on the deck until the water was at least up to his nose.

So who shall call him Judas for acknowledging the facts?

At least one of Hillary's advisers and supporters is admitting the obvious. The lady in the pants suit will concede soon.

Sorry, I had to do that.

He seems to have learned from the ineffectuality of all his sound and fury against Howard Dean. Or maybe he's just mellowed out.

(Or maybe there really was something more to his opposition to Dean in particular than ever surfaced in public — if so, it would be news indeed, since it was never clear what precisely his beef with Dean was. In any case, it seems to be water under the bridge now.)

If you fight to the end against the inevitable, once the inevitable happens you're kind of sidelined. So it's good for Carville to keep his hand in, and it's probably also good for the party. Carville's a bit more retiring now than in 1992 but it will still be good to have all hands on deck in the fall.

Since Women's Voices, Women's Votes continues to use deceptive and illegal robocall tactics, this time in West Virginia and Kentucky, is it still "incompetence," Alex? Or maybe when you keep making the same "mistakes" in 12 different states from colorado to Virginia to North Carolina and Kentucky, even after authorities in each of those states have gotten involved, maybe they aren't "mistakes." Maybe this organization really is intentionally breaking the law to suppress the black male vote. Just a thought, Salon.

... but I still wouldn't turn my back on Carville in a crowded elevator.

His comment about sending Obama a check is right on, and it's time to spread that sentiment across the country. Especially to the drek that frequents hillaryis44(dot)whatever.

After this election everyone in the Democratic party will remember and deeply resent how they decided to go scorched earth in the party's primary...

So far the list of unforgivable sins sits at:

-Attempting to damage the party's candidate in the general election.

-Going on Faux news (Obama also made this stupid mistake).

-Taking money from right wing millionaire, liar publisher Melon Scaffe.

-Embracing votes from repuglicans in the primary who have no intention of voting Democratic in the general election.

-Embracing repuglican populist scams (see "gas tax holiday") that are so stupid they make the entire party look bad.

-Stooping to playing the race card and gender card.... in the primary no less!

She and Bill are finished! Caput! Gone baby gone!

You left out - Endorsing McCain over Obama

I suppose it's deliciously ironic to take such a swipe at Jimmy C, but he's going to be a valuable ally this fall, so let's not pile on. Let's live up to politics as unusual.

By the way, if he's on board with Obama as the nominee (with the obvious conditional "if" since he's still working for Clinton), then I fail to see why other Dems wouldn't be.

You take it personal? Hey, here's the guy in the middle, who's been with the Clintons for two decades. Doesn't get more personal than that.

Even if the items you listed were true and/or good points, you have a very weak definition of scorched earth.

If the emphasis going forward is really to be on uniting the party (I've seen little evidence it's been split), I'd offer that a lot of this "Hillary is the devil" / "she wears pants suits" / whatever talk is massively conterproductive, considering that near 50% of the party voted for her in the first place.

I think too many of us have lumped "fervent support" with "radical" lately. If people really believe in someone, it's hard for them to not fight for them every chance they get. Sure the Judas thing might have been a bit much but I think we need to remember that all supporters, on both sides, are human beings. Emotions have been and will run high but they are intelligent and know what they are doing.

I hope Carville doesn't get involved in Obama's campaign. He's a brilliant strategist and is as good as anyone at going on the talk shows and pretending he's right while he knows he's wrong about one issue or another. While his skills might benefit Obama, they would come at too great a cost...namely everything Obama's campaign stands for. Carville is the epitome of business as usual in Washington politics and in this sense has more in common with Carl Rove that with Obama.

so Hillary's pantsuits are off limits?

you seem to forget the person who called HRC "a monster" promptly left Obama's campaign. At least there is some accountability somewhere.

HRC has gone against her own party -- she has attempted to kneecap her opponent in a vast number of ways. She has tried to divide this country further with her rhetoric. She has encouraged breaking her own party's rules. She has lied. She has been no friend to Democrats through this campaign.

I don't care about her pantsuits. I just wish she would take them and go home.

Carville is loyal to a fault, a description that's been used for ME often enough that I recognize it in another person. It's great that he's seeing the world a bit more clearly. As for the Judas comment, water under the bridge, as the winners we can afford to be magnanimous.

Carville's somebody you want on your side in a fight, and this is a signal that we can expect him to show up. Thank heavens.

I suppose it's deliciously ironic to take such a swipe at Jimmy C, but he's going to be a valuable ally this fall, so let's not pile on.

My distrust of Carville predates this election season, but point taken.

As a show of party unity, if I find myself sharing an elevator with Carville, I'll turn my back on him. Oops, that doesn't sound right ... oh, never mind, you know what I mean.