Letters to the Editor
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@gezelligtexas
Stick a fork in her?
How exceptionally "healing" of you.
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Obama vs. McCain
This isn't "a black guy" against "a white guy." It's going to be a young, vibrant, dynamic, unique, charismatic, good-looking Democrat against a cranky old fusspot.
McCain is going to be running this race with a gigantic anvil around his neck known as the Bush Presidency. He doesn't have the chops to pull out a win.
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HRC talking points, via Rosenkavalier
Once again, Rosenkavalier, Obama doesn't want to the "results" as they stand in MI & FL to count. Are you really arguing that:
1. Clinton's 55% in MI is legitimate, despite the fact that no one else was on the ballot?
2. That Clinton's majority in FL is legitimate, despite the fact that no one campaigned there (well, Clinton did, a little bit - and Obama ran some ads in GA that, because of the nature of media markets, may have been seen by some N. FL people) and that voters were making the same informed choice as OH, PA, or TX voters? Are we going to throw Obama a bone and give him his and Edwards' prcentage since if the FL primary was held at its usual date (March 9th), Edwards would've already been out?
3. That turnout was the same as it would have been had the DNC not invalidated FL & MI.
The fact remains that neither MI or FL have the money to run a make-up primary. But, because of the reasons I've stated, the "results", as they stand, are completely suspect as well.
Also, please explain to me the rhetorical leap it takes to justify Hillary's stance as "the natural actions of a good politician" but when Obama acts in his political best interests its suddenly "morally repugnant"?
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@damnthatxanadu...
We're all postmoderns now, as the saying goes. Nothing that's happened before can ever happen for the first time again. Everything about this campaign is "unprecedented".
Never before has so much money been spent on a primary campaign. Never before has racial and gender politics played such a major role, and never before has our sense of racial and/or gender empowerment been so sky-high.
Never before have we been through eight years of the most polarizing politics imaginable, which have poisoned our national discourse.
Never before have two historically unique candidates, both representing a total break with the past in their own ways, been so closely matched. Certainly never before has the 24/7 news cycle plus the internet been major components of the campaign.
And never again will we be innocent of the 2008 campaign's excesses. Like it or not, the past is prologue, and in 2012 there will be another list of "never befores"...
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Re - If she'd been smart....
This is the sort of self-righteous opinion that almost guarantees a McCain presidency.
At this point, with her scorched earth policy, with her supporters telling us overtly that they won't support any nominee save for her
"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee." Barak Obama - see http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx
with her racially divisive tactics
You mean like referring to her grandmother as a "typical" white person? (oops, sorry that was Obama) Or was it because she pointed that, according to the United States Constitution, Presidents sign bills into law? Or maybe you're referring to the time when one of her campain co-chairs said he never heard her cry about Katrina victims in New Orleans (oops - that was Obama's campaign again). Or possibly you're referring to the time that Bill Clinton called Obama's positions on the Iraq War -- not Obama or his campaing -- a fairy tale because in 2004 Obama said he didn't know how he would have voted on the AUMF if he were in the Senate at the time?
Of course, Obama was more than willing to look the other way for 20+ years while listening to his racist black supremecist minister so long as it helped him politically. Once said pastor was a poltical liability -- and pointed out that Obama is a politician who will say what politicians have to say to get elected -- Obama suddenly became aware of his pastor's opinions.
with positions that don't differ significantly from McCain
Even Obama disagress with you on this point. By the way, just what are the similarities between McCain and Clinton's healthcare proposals? That's OK. I know you were trying to make a pithy post that didn't get bogged down with facts.
and with her promise to obliterate Iran and turn innocent women and children to glass and human smoke
Because we all know that when Obama promises to bomb Pakistan, that's OK. Obama's allowed to turn innocent women and children to glass and human smoke, but God forbid that Clinton do it
she's not only lost the nomination this time, she's lost every thoughtful liberal Democrat for her lifetime.
Go tell it to the voters who bitterly cling to Guns and God.
Better yet, start applying the same standards to Obama that you apply to Clinton.
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My knees is knockin'
When this many pundits are this certain of anything...
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Beneath you, Rosenkavalier
I've always had a good amount of respect for you, Rosenkavalier. You're often very insightful and interesting to read. But you just jumped the shark, big time.
Because both of those two things sound like the natural actions of a good politician, not something morally repugnant. Moral repugnance is Obama deciding that the "rules of the game" are more important than making sure the voters are heard, which is exactly what he did. Sounds an awful lot like the old politics, and not so much like hope, to me.
The voters weren't heard. Obama and Edwards weren't on the ballot in MI. People seem to forget that other people were in the race at that point, and they also got screwed, not just Obama. In Florida, no one campaigned. If you call a national cable buy a campaign, you're just being silly and you know it. When Obama campaigns in a state, he has an intense grass roots ground game, not a national ad or two.
What about all of the voters who stayed home because they knew it wasn't a real primary? Do you care about them, or do you only care about the ones who voted for your candidate?