Letters to the Editor
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At what point
did Salon become a Drudge mirror site?
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And so goes to the tale,
of Ahab and her whale.
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She...
She may not have to shot at being the nominee but she does have a shot at making Obama's chances a whole lot less...
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Let's Save
The excuses for Obama losing until after he loses.
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Dear Wes,
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Walk Hard, Hillary
It's interesting, in all this Internet straterigical thinkery by folks who know what's in Hillary's head and are deeply committed to the democratic process by constantly calling for her to quit, I'm reminded of a scene in "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" where the titular hero is confronted very early by on his wife (paraphrasing here:) "Don't you believe in me?" Her reply is, "Of course I do! And you're gonna fail!"
Why should Hillary Clinton be treated like some monster? She's the first woman candidate to get this far, and has contributed to getting millions of people to vote. She's managed to stay in the fight (with the media) by not dying when impatiently requested. But it's usually at this point that scores of folks howl about how's evil, power hungry, scheming (you know, a WOMAN) and how she should be, to use Walter Shapiro's word, consigned to "oblivion."
The "unity" of the Democratic party is best served by the faceless myriads doing something about it, not merely laying it at the feet of Mr. Obama while yelling at her, "You're gonna fail!"
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"working, hard-working Americans, white Americans"
from USA Today:
“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”
“There’s a pattern emerging here,” she said.
Anyone who can justify Hillary Clinton's behavior is beyond me. She's poison. There is no excuse for this sort of thing. One expects it from the darker element of the Republican Party, but this is exactly the sort of thing people expect the Democrats to stand against. She's a disgrace. This is no longer an issue between supporters of one candidate over another's. It's time for the Deomcratic leadership and remaining uncommited super delegates to step in and stop this now.
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I'm sorry, Elian..
..but did you just quote a John C. Reilly vehicle to make a political point? Just checking..
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Elian
Are you suggesting somebody 'do something' about Ms Clinton? She was (and is) a first lady, you know.
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If she'd been smart....
If HRC had been smart, rather than obsessed, she'd have gotten out of the race right after Wisconsin, preserving her ability to run in four or eight years. At this point, with her scorched earth policy, with her supporters telling us overtly that they won't support any nominee save for her, with her racially divisive tactics, with positions that don't differ significantly from McCain, and with her promise to obliterate Iran and turn innocent women and children to glass and human smoke--she's not only lost the nomination this time, she's lost every thoughtful liberal Democrat for her lifetime.
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Step In And Stop It?
Because of the truth? Obama is going to have big problems in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania because of race. Just because someone says it doesn't make them the bad guy.
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Frack Clinton anyway
I'm tired of this conversation. I think Ms Clinton could ave been a fine preseident. I have argued with all manner of Obamatrons about her merits, but her call to 'count the votes' in florida and michigan was the end. There could be nothing more despicable than that. She is dead to me.
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so, Gams
You hate her because she A) advocated something which would have helped her politically or B) advocated something which would have reenfranchised primary voters in two states who got shafted because of some dipshit rule?
Because both of those two things sound like the natural actions of a good politician, not something morally repugnant. Moral repugnance is Obama deciding that the "rules of the game" are more important than making sure the voters are heard, which is exactly what he did. Sounds an awful lot like the old politics, and not so much like hope, to me.
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No chance anyway
Anyone who thinks that America would elect either a woman or a black guy at this time in history is a complete fool.
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campaign fatigue
Maybe I'm the last Democrat in America who isn't polarized. I'll vote for Obama (my state hasn't voted yet), but Hillary isn't bad. If she wins the nomination, I'd vote for her in the general.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses. It's kinda cool, at this late date, to have my vote actually matter, but I'm past caring deeply about this thing. I just want the primary OVER so we can get on with the real problem, beating McCain and getting ANY democrat back in the White House.
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@ Rosenkavalier
Re: Florida and Michigan: Give it a rest with the "moral repugnance." Both candidates are playing the situation for their advantage - Senator Clinton is trying for backsies on two half-assed primaries that she agreed not to contest, and Senator Obama is working his delegate advantage.
If you want to blame someone, blame the respective state legislatures and the DNC for not stepping in and defusing the situation.
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Elian, Elian...
...Elian. Really.
"But it's usually at this point that scores of folks howl about how's evil, power hungry, scheming (you know, a WOMAN) and how she should be, to use Walter Shapiro's word, consigned to "oblivion." "
Evil, no. Power hungry and scheming, yes. Oblivion, that's for history to judge.
But a WOMAN? Yes she is that, but what in hell has that got to do with the other things, and who in hell are you suggesting is making that equivalency?
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Race and the 1938 Olympics
You know, there was no chance that an African American athelete could ever beat an Aryan athelete, so why did the Americans even bother sending Jesse Owens?
It's not a perfect analogy, but it is fair. Back before Hillary took out the Kitchen Sink, Barak was leading the national polls by 60%, he still beats McCain though not by quite as much any more.
Clearly, 60% of the nation has no difficulty voting for a black man, whether or not Barak is the black man they'll vote for is another question. Just as it is for Hillary, if she is the woman that Americans will vote for.
I gotta say, for all the talk of the pervasive misogyny in our culture (that Senator Clinton's supporters have raised our awareness of) I would think that the man, regardless of race is inherintly more electable.
When it comes to democratic elections, step one is secure the cities, which is a given with Barak, allowing him to spend the next six month doing shots and working on his 7 10 split to wow the blue and pink collar working men and women of this country.
Meanwhile, If Senator Clinton were to run, she'd need a whole make nice in the city offensive, while simultaniously fighting off John McCain for the deep purple vote in the rust belt.