Letters to the Editor
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@on_second_thought
Just because the rules allow for something doesn't mean that the people will accept the decision.
The rules allowed the Supreme Court to end the recount and declare G.W.B. president, that didn't cause everyone who disagreed to throw up their hands and say "oh well, rules are rules".
As to polling in Florida, given that Obama has not campaigned in Florida as yet, it doesn't surprise me that McCain is beating him in the polls. This is the central issue with regard to the extended period of the campaign. By forcing the Candidates to focus on each other, and primary battle grounds instead of the general election battle grounds, McCain receives the edge from this.
The bottom line is, Hillary Clinton's electability or unelectability is clearly not better or worse than Barak Obamas. If either was dramaticly more electable, we'd have a clear strong leader in this competition, and our debates would be moot.
As it is, we've got two hard campaigners struggleing to push into the others base with little luck, and neither will likely be able to do so until the other agrees the race is over, and begins the party healing process.
But neither is a better candidate really. Barak Obama's status as an "unkown" is no more of a hinderance to him than Hillary Clinton's "known" status is a hinderance to her.
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second thought
The hands of time and the hands of fate, as a political pundit, you're not even second rate.
Leave the rocket science to the astronauts asshole. You're so fuckin' lost out there in outerspace, drifting about aimlessly, without a gram of real weight.
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Red State Blue State and then there is Guam
Obama won Guam by 7 votes. Guam does not vote in the general election. One cannot even count Guam as a red state. Interesting....as for the delegate count everyone wants to ignore the elephant in the room.
Florida and Michigan did not succeed from the union. The had a legal certified election within the laws of their state. There will be a rule challenge as to how to seat the delegates. Those delegates will be seated in some fashion. This is totally within the DNC rules and no one is "bending them" or changing them. Senator Clinton will also do well in KY and WV. Senator Obama's delegate lead will vanish. This is why Senator Obama's surrogates are trying to push Hillary out of the race. This is why Senator Clinton isn't going anywhere.
Senatot Obama is not done with Rev. Wright. Senator Obama has yet to start on Rezko and Ayers. Senator Obama still has too many hurdles in front of him and no resume to back it up against McCain.
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Lol Linda
Invisible Bosnian bullets right back atcha. Don't forget to duck behind the dumpster!
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2nd thought: Re: How do they win?
There's at least two sites using polls to estimate electoral vote counts:
- http://www.electoral-vote.com/
- fivethirtyeight.com. 538 shows how Obama can win without FL, as an example. It's worth checking out, if only to see that Hillary and Obama put different states in play, while both keep the blue island states like CA, NY, IL, MA, and NJ.
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hi manos
these last few days are getting really crazy. the rats must feel cornered. i haven't seen so many delusional hillary supporters since the beginning, when they weren't (yet)delusional (remember when debra dickerson was making the case that obama wasn't black enough? and jackson and sharpton were ignoring him? - he had the insolence not to kiss their rings. we still have a few of them out here - they are cursing his 'disloyalty' to that senile old buffoon, poisonous wright). on greenwald's thread it's even worse - the ron paul addicts are out in force and Hatfield and McCoying with the drug laws crew. ugh! so i'm leaving for a while. it's always nice to see your name, friend.
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To Clarify
I mean that McCain is thought to be something he isn't - a moderate. Most people think he is Mr. Smith goes to Washington. When they see the real him they'll br turned off.
The product does not live up to the brand - he's like "fat free yogurt" in Seinfeld.
Another thing is this - Obama can do better in some states where Hillary cannot. What is the impact of the GOP having to agressively campaign in places like MS, NC, VA? We may win VA with Obama. That may turn time and $ away from the small # of states that the GOP has had the luxury of focusing on, like OH.
Just a thought.
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Fester's right, Obama actually doesn't need Florida (or Ohio) to win
As others have stated you're looking at a different electoral map vis-a-vis Clinton and Obama.
Clinton needs Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania to win the general.
Obama would only need one of the three.
Yes Wisconsin, Colorado, Virginia, Missouri and Maryland aren't huge states, but they ain't small either. You throw these in (none of which Clinton would win) and you begin to see the electoral math.
One scenario (that we went round and round about a while ago) that is highly plausible and would do it for Obama:
All Obama needs to take is: Oregon, Washington, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and Hawaii. That's it. 278-260 right there.
Now no electoral scenario is perfect but this just isn't as hard as it seems. Check McCain's record in Michigan. They HATE him there. Google his speech up there when he was running against McCain. Plus it's a Midwestern state. So he's not losing it, Iowa, Wisconsin or any state bordering Illinois in a general. Frankly I'd add Missouri (which has a sizeable black population in St. Louis, Kansas City, and Jacksonville) but we can leave it out.
So we're basically down to having a problem with one state for Obama either Pennsylvania or Ohio. Again, I hate to say this, but he ain't the first candidate to have one difficult state. Oddly enough he's the first candidate I've heard is suddenly "unelectable" because he has a difficult state. News alert: No one's going to waltz into the White House. We're going to have to run an election either way.
Anyway we can debate it till the cows come home, but that's how he wins it. Now if we're ever allowed to actually address the other side of the coin (which at least half of us think is true) which is that Hillary Clinton is electable I'd love to hear it. Because I have yet to hear any of her supporters tell me how she's going to overcome the fact 60% of the electorate think she's dishonest, she's got a higher unlikability rating than any candidate we've seen in modern American history, and she mobilizes the opposition like no one we've ever seen before. And that's without throwing in the fact you lose your entire African-American vote, lose an entire generation of new young voters (which you need to overcome an electorate that up until George W. Bush has been leaning to the right since 1980) and one of the most amazing fund-raising apparatus (the Obama organization) any party has ever seen. Oh yeah, and the fact you'd be overthrowing the candidate who WON according to the rules you set forth.