Letters to the Editor
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The path forward is to use American diplomacy and our allies to allow U.S. forces to come home, and turn responsibility back to Iraq and its people.
...and obliterate Iran id necessary.
Obama's statement sounded effortless. Clinton's sounded labored , as though every word had been debated and analyzed relentlessly. It was less a statemnet than a covering of all bases. All politicians are calculating. They have to be. But once the calculations are done, Obama seems natural and comfortable with the end result. Clinton always seems to be trying every angle.
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Obama's done a lot of things "that have served him well with Democratic voters this year."
So how's that working out now?
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@Elephantman
Obama's done a lot of things "that have served him well with Democratic voters this year."
So how's that working out now?
-- Elephantman
Well, let's see, he contiunued the meteoric rise, coming up from 20 percent down in PA to gain 11 or 12 percentage points, will win NC by a big margin as expected, Clinton still can't possibly catch up--- I'd say pretty good, overall.
If you buy the media spin, you'll see it differently of course but all I can say to that is: Living in a fantasy world will only get you dissapointment.
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Pretty well actually
he's winning the democratic primary in total states, popular votes and delgates. Thanks for asking.
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Redundant
Please, people. It's fifth anniversary, not five-year anniversary. This makes me crazy. At some point, people started saying things (sometimes jokingly) like "It's our two-week anniversary!" This seems to have been the end of the line for proper usage as people started using it for actual anniversaries too. Anni=year. It's redundant. I expect this from the average schmo but not from Salon or any other media outlet worth its salt. Come on.
Oh, and "Mission Accomplished"? What a load of crap.
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@Elephantman
Obama's done a lot of things "that have served him well with Democratic voters this year."
So how's that working out now?
Pretty well, by the looks of it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24390690/
Thanks for asking. It's probably time for you to start practicing saying "President Obama". And it appears that your normally scheduled invasion of Iran will be preempted so we can bring you a sane foreign policy. But take heart: in 8 years, most Americans will have forgotten that it was the republicans who brought us the Iraq war debacle, and they'll all probably start voting in favor of a $300 check in favor of sanity.
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Carrier landing
Bush didn't
i land
on the aircraft carrier. He was a passenger. Passengers do not
i land
airplanes.
For the luvva whoever, stop using the word the Bush administration wants you to use. Stop perpetuating their myth.
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Dem candidates weigh in on "Mission Accomplished"
Lewis Black, the Comedian had the best line ever to describe Bush the Decider regarding this phrase:
"The dumbest thing ever uttered by anyone, any where, ever!"
Hopefully folks will finally wake up out of their seven year sleep and realize that this man is danger to our country and to the world. He should be tried for war crimes and locked up in the SuperMax Gulag in Colorado - FOREVER.
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What allies?
How are "allies" going to help us get out of Iraq? This sounds like a more mild version of Kucinich's fantasy that we could pick up and leave Iraq, it would stabilize, and our "allies" -- who we just had to ask -- would go in and police the place.
Let's be realistic, when we leave, the only people going in *might* be the Iranians.
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apart from the politics, the dumbocrats shouldn't talk
They've had 5 years to stop the madness. They did not.
Okay, maybe only two years, since the American people overwhelmingly handed them the majority in Congress, largely out of anger over Bush's stupid war.
Still, they've done nothing but rubberstamp Bush's every whim.
To hell with them all.
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Hillary the "experienced" accomplished so much for Iraq
But now she's nawed her warhawk's foot off. Never underestimate an oppurtunist. There's always Iran.
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"Mission Accomplished"
Count on the lap Dog medfia to completely ignore this ignomious anniversary in favor of more rehashing about whether or not Barak Obama really listens to Rev. Wright.
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the word 'flawed' seems delusional
It implies the notion that the same basic operation could have been done successfully, had only the planning been a little better.
It also avoids the question of why the war is being fought at all. That's the 800 lb. elephant that most of Washington and the political media have tried to bury.
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This is the way it's done.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24408006/
Not in words or empty promises. Direct action gets the goods.
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We're waiting...
re: We get it. It's all our fault.
Um, I don't recall saying that Hillary Clinton could heal the racial divide -- in fact, I think I was pretty skeptical of that idea.
I'm aware of the North Carolina story, I've been working on a post about it that should be up tomorrow.
-- Alex Koppelman
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Iran and Nuclear Power
I read an article this week the New York Times Science" section. French scienetists who are part of the team monitring the Iran's nuclur program reported they were very excitd by the technolgical advance Iran has developed to process plutonium. Iranian scienitist have created a new type of centrifuge which can process uranium much faster, then any other cuntry. They were speaking from a sientific point of view and showed much excitement for this use in Nulcear Power. Iran's president is a Nuclear scientist and it is th science that facinates him. He is to Iran what the Teller, was to the U.S.
These sceintists said the Iranians were at 5 years away from being ale to ues this even for N. Power,muh less build bombs.
Why does the U.S. have the right to stop other countries from advances in science when we continue to create weapons ousleves.
Obama is the ony candidate I have heard talk about reenacting our commitment to non nuclear proliferation Act.
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It's the wrong way to frame the issue.
Democrats are having too much fun bashing Bush with this to realize that they are approaching it wrong. Dems should all agree that Bush was right, and that the war ended on that fateful day. Ever since then, Dems should say, we have been engaged not in war, but in an OCCUPATION OF IRAQ.
Why?
Well, first of all, it's true. We toppled the Iraqi government. We chased Saddam away and ultimately found him hiding in a hole. We marched into his palaces and took over the operation of the entire country. We dismantled the army, and haven't fought an army since. We took control of the infrastructure, and rooted out all the weapons that the former enemy had. That's called winning the war.
Holding it is called an occupation. And that's what we've been doing for the last five years. The fact that people have been fighting and dying is a function of an occupation. People lose lives and find resistance in occupations all the time. That's why you have to occupy them, because if you didn't, you'd lose it. So, we have been occupying Iraq for five years, not engaging in a war.
Now, here's the key: Americans can support a war where lives are lost. They will not support an occupation. Calling this a "war" plays right into Bush's hands; it gives him extra strength and power. If no Democrat ever uttered the word "war" again, and instead used only the term "occupation," we would be able to frame the issue the way it needs to be framed: as an ongoing occupation, not a war that can be "won."
The American people won't stand for the occupation. And it makes it easier to understand. Why do you think that Bush Co. has never been able to define what a "win" of this war is? Because it's not a war, it's an occupation. You can win a war, you can't win an occupation. And that's why they can't define one.
Americans are allergic to occupations. America doesn't occupy other sovereign nations, especially when it costs American lives and there is no way to "win" it. They will then realize that it has no end unless they demand it. And of course, the way to demand it is to elect the Democratic candidates for president, representative and senator. Not McCain, and not the other Republicans. Americans will know this.
Bush was right five years ago: The war ended on that "Mission Accomplished" day. Ever since, we've been engaged in an occupation of a sovereign nation. An occupation we can never "win," and which will continue to cost American lives and foment unrest in the region until the day we do the right thing and leave.
It's an occupation, not a war. The war is over.