Letters to the Editor
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Only patriots who love their country wear lapel pins, like ...
Oskar Schindler, who wore a Nazi lapel pin even as he worked to spare some of the German Jews who worked for him from being taken to the camps. Almost all Nazi officials and party loyalists wore lapel pins, from Goebbels and Speer all the way up to Hitler.
What's next, ABC and Charlie Gibson? "Senator Obama, now why won't you take the new Patriot Act II loyalty oath? For the good of the country, why won't you agree to the forearm tattoo ID or the embedded tracking chip? Don't you love America?"
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For All We Know ...
... The Notorious W.E.S. serves no other purpose in the Salon forums than to be an obnoxious troll.
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Lynx
He was on a board with him, and in the debate said that he "doesn't consult with him regularly", whatever that means.
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The Patriotism Issue
Is huge. Hillary needs to gently, and occasionally roughly, tap that knee with the little hammer on a daily basis until the convention. In this debate Obama started showing a crude, angered side about it, and he didn't look good doing it.
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@WES
Just out of curiosity, if Obama 'hanging out' with a member of the weather underground is bad, what is it that Clinton's husband pardoned a weather underground member and commuted the sentence of another? Is that treason?
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Hey Wes!
Are you talking about the Weather Underground people Hillary's husband pardoned, or some other group? Don't ask, don't tell, right?
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Oh How Cute
His flock repeats the same answers he gives.
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I Think My Head Is Going to Explode...
The very thought that anyone would decide their vote for a national political leader on whether or not they wear a flag pin on their lapel makes me doubt my sanity.
Nash McCabe, you simply prove that the Right Wing's forty-year mission of turning the American electorate into complete drolling morons is just about complete.
And ABC/Disney, as willing participants in subverting the American political process with misinformation, obfuscation, lying and general inanity, all I can say is: You suck donkey whang for quarters. You deserve all the scorn being heaped upon you. Although, as we all know, you don't care.
But what's worst of all this? It's the very fact that the Traditional Media have decided that THEY will tell us exactly what to think and what to care about-- and we've let them do exactly that. It's appalling and awful.
Oh, and W.E.S.? Your girl's fucked it up-- well, her and her husband Bubba (I, for one, don't think Bill Clinton walks on water-- I'll never forgive him for DADT, DOMA, Welfare Reform, NAFTA, and every other time he caved to the Right simply because HE HAD TO SAY HE WON ONE). Once you let ego and a sense of entitlement rule your every action and word, you've lost the war. Get over it and move on.
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Where's the logic professor?
I know someone around here teaches logic--I forget who exactly. I'm hoping he steps in and gives us the name of this particular fallacy, the one where someone is criticized for the absence of something that most of the people most of the time also don't wear. I can't even articulate what feels so frustrating and wrong about this stupid flag pin controversy, and I'm hoping someone can give me the words.
PS Does anyone remember why this came up in the first place? I think he used to wear one and didn't one day and a (Fox-like) reporter asked where it was. I suppose Obama at this point should have said something like, "It's on my other suit jacket; I don't wear it every day," and that would have been the end of it (maybe) but instead he took the opportunity to give a speech about real patriotism which doesn't include lapel pins. It's the old conundrum of whether you say something real and different v. the same old cowardly crap. He did the real and different thing, and look where it got him. I am curious, though, what made the reporter ask in the first place--does anyone know more?
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@ W.E.S.
Sen. Clinton served on the board of Wal-Mart. Should we not then hold her accountable for all of the policies and crimes of that corporation?
I may be wrong, but I seem to recall that Ayers' contribution to Obama was $200 and hosting an event.
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Wes, Watch 'The Bridge on the River Kwai'
You are Nicholson. Clinton is the bridge.
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Check a mirror
W.E.S.
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Wes
You know you're right. All people who are on the same board hang out all the time. That's how they get on the board together, they're all best buds. It certainly isn't some kind of appointment of people who don't even know each other until they're working together.
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You didn't answer my question
I know some posters don't want to be taken seriously, but I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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Better yet, Moose,
I'd like to find footage of the neocons with flag pins. Then say to Americans, "So, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and George Bush lied about WMD to take our young people into a war that was never justified. They're wearing lapel pins. Which kind of patriotism do you want?"
But of course, that's the sort of message Obama tried to say to begin with, which is what got him on the right's scary list.
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Well, I may have paraphrased what Obama said the other night,
But just like Clinton, you avoided the question.
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Flag Pins
Nash McCabe has a point. I probably would not cast a vote for president for someone that always wears a beanie with a propeller on it.
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Question? What Question?
Steve, you are so stupid and out of touch with problems we're facing as your collegue from ABC. Give a look around and watch with your own eyes, make a reserch on the web. Don't you see that we are angry and bitter because our sons are dying in Iraq and we are loosing our houses? What are you doing here in Salon? Are you a journalist? Can I ask you do do your job properly?
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Please Oh Please....
Tell me that I didn't just read that this woman who asked the NOTORIOUS QUES-tion is a "recently unemployed clerk typist". Methinks she's got WAY more important things to be concerned about than tie jewelry.
Bless her heart!!! Now I know why my late father (God rest his soul) warned me about "majoring in minors".
Onward and upward (hopefully)