Letters to the Editor
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We get the Govt she deserves
"How can I vote for a president who won't wear a flag pin?"
Really? So a criminal dishonest moron with a flag pin gets your vote over an honest competent politician? Lets go, onto a raft, get out of America, we don't need you, you're hurting the country. Bye.
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Flag Question
Was this debate sponsored by ABC or FoxNews?
It appears that Karl Rove is writing the script for ALL of our reporters, not just Chris Mathews.
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How Republicans Misunderstand the Flag
Of course Obama "believes in the flag". It is a physical object he can see and touch, what's not to believe? What the woman means to say is "Does Obama believe in what the flag stands for?" The answer is an unequivocal yes, but wearing a pin of the flag is not the way to show this. Obama talks about what the flag stands for on a regular basis and he has great respect for these ideals.
The symbol of the flag has been subverted by the Right Wing as a mindless symbol of conformity and obedience. It has become an object of worship and the ideas it is supposed to symbolize are being ignored and worn away by the very people venerating the symbol.
Unfortunately, people like this woman do not think about it very much. They love their nation and cling to its flag and think no more about it.
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I am so sick
of the flag lapel non-issue.
It is as important as Jennifer Aniston's "flair" buttons at Flingers in "Office Space."
It is a *fashion* *statement*. And it has absolutely no value as a measure of patriotism.
I remember in the early 90s when the red ribbons for AIDS first surfaced. Originally, the ribbons were sold by AIDS charities, and the money from the ribbons went towards AIDS research, and/or to support (pay for medicines and care) for people with AIDS. I had a friend who wanted to "show her support for AIDS" (???), so she went to a fabric store, bought several pretty red ribbons and some gold safety pins, and fashioned her own ribbons. She wore them proudly, but she never gave a penny to the charities. I never wore a ribbon, but I regularly emptied my pocket change into the campus contribution box.
Republicans sporting the effin flag pin remind me a lot of my college friend.
That ABC engaged in sloppy, loaded, tabloid journalism in finding a good questioner about the STUPID FLAG PIN doesn't surprise me. I'd like to be outraged, but I'm about as shocked, shocked, as Captain Renault in "Casablanca."
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Pin nonsense
Last November a veterans' group-connected person sputtered at me that Obama doesn't wear a flag pin and what did I think about that, blah, blah, blah. I told her some of the biggest crooks and liars in this country wear flag pins and the most respected patriots don't and I also noticed she wasn't wearing one so what does that say about her, blah, blah, blah.
These people are idiots but I think Obama should get a 4 x 6 flag and pin it to his chest. Better yet, get a tatoo on his forehead. Still, I doubt that would satisfy these crackpots.
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They never asked Hillary about HER flag pin?
This is not at all worth talking about and it doesn't seem right to add more trivia to existing trivia, but in all fairness, if you're going to ask stupid, trivial questions, shouldn't you ask BOTH candidates, since NEITHER of them are seen wearing flag pins?
But, then, that might have made the debate seem no less stupid, inane and painful, but a little more fair.
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@ Lynx
sorry, but I disagree, Lynx. I'm convinced that this woman meant exactly what she asked: she was talking about that piece of cloth, and the little metal pins that some people wear representing it. That's what she cares about, like a "Christian" who places more value in the cross than they do Jesus's teachings.
I'm no longer amazed and dumbfounded by the way people worship the symbol rather than what the symbol represents. If what the flag represents really was what was important to her, she wouldn't have asked the question the way she did, and she wouldn't have based her obvious disgust with Obama on the fact that he refuses to kow-tow to the fascist bastards who try to browbeat us all into submitting to what is little more than patriotic porn.
That woman is probably beyond hope. She is Sean Hannity's wet dream. I'm sad for her, and I hope the number of people who feel like she does hasn't grown so large that our electoral process is beyond hope, too.
Or, maybe you were being snarky?
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Tip o' the hat to John Prine
Your flag pin won't get you into heaven any more,
It's already overcrowded from your dirty little war.
Jesus don't like killin',
no matter what the killin's for.
So your flag pin won't get you into heaven any more.
Same as it ever was.....
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Hey Joan -- When's YOUR In-Depth, Impartial, Analytical Blog Post About "FlagPinGate?"
Just wondering. I figure you're going to work on it this weekend, so you have something new to bludgeon us with on Monday.
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Wow
premeditated shame
I'm done with network tv, reality tv sucks, variety shows have no variety, and the sitcoms & dramas are just downright awful. I wish I could disconnect it like cable.
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When
You're hanging out with Weather Undergound terrorists, stuff like flag pins is going to come up.
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Brutal
...but also of a piece with the entirety of that elaborate hit job not just on Obama, but on the entirety of the 'out-of-touch' Left. I especially liked your 'substance' post yesterday. Lest it be forgotten that the most 'electable' Democrat is the one least like a Democrat, we had probing questions about taxes with dear ol' Charlie posing as supply-side inquisitor, we had assertions about Iranian nuclear ambitions not supported by our intelligence community, we had persistence over guns and Obama's memo on the subject, and yada yada yada.
Of course, we as a party share responsibility. If it wasn't for the split in the party, we would see through this stuff. This morning's latest anti-Obama column from Paul Krugman underscores this point. You would think he would take issue with the flag pin and Ayers 'patriotism' questions, or with the ridiculous way the issues were framed by the GOP... I mean ABC moderators, but instead he sees fit to be the umpteenth person to pile on over the 'bitter' remarks. The counterpoint to this is the number of Obama supporters that have indulged in the worst kind of Hillary hatred, (which goes beyond even strident criticism), or swallowing right wing slanders. In many ways, we are paying the price for our own sins.