Letters to the Editor
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sure!
Seat 'em all you want, but you better recalculate the nomination threshold as well (that threshold was set when both MI and FL counted as 0).
I'm actually surprised the Clinton camp is doing this...if it actually works it takes away a major argument (that she'd be winning if only they seated MI and FL).
cheers
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Desperation (act of)
For some one who knew the rules going in ...anyway more bad news for Hillary...this poll say she is now behind in Penn
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-takes-lead-in-pennsylvania.html
It will be a war of attrition until she finally sees the handwriting on the wall.
BTW I live in Florida and did not vote because, I knew it would not count
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There should be no debate here
People keep suggesting that "the Democrats" in Florida and Michigan screwed up and deserve to lose their votes, but the people who voted did not do anything wrong. The only thing they did was to live in the wrong state. It would have been better to do a revote, but if we can't do that then we have to accept the votes we have. Democrats don't "compromise" on the right to have their votes counted. Punish the party leaders who allowed the election to be pushed forward, not the people who had no say in the matter.
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Yes, because
Disenfranchisement only counts if you were planning to vote for Hillary. If you live in Michigan, and you couldn't vote for Obama or Edwards, tough, they knew the rules before they removed their name from the ballot. Oh wait, the rules were that it didn't count.
Never mind Richardson and Edwards not getting to campaign in FL and MI. It's totally fair to them too if we go ahead and count FL and MI. They knew the rules, that if Hillary was losing, those states would count, before they entered the race. It's all fair, I tell you!
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I've Advised Before
And I herewith advise again. Treat Hillary nice or she damn well may scrap the kitchen sink, go grab the toilet and dump it on all of you.
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See? This is what I'm talking about
When I say HRC is acting like a republican.
Look, I understand she wants those delegates seated, and I expect her to try to get those delegates seated, but when she takes this approach: "It is a bedrock American principle: we are all equal in the voting booth," it just fills me with disgust for her. What's going on in Fla & MI have NOTHING to do with some subversion of American principals of fair voting. They are the end-result of party squabbling. In fact, what would be fair would be for the DNC to keep the delegates of Fla & MI stripped as they said they would if Fla & MI broke the rules, and they broke the rules. HRC's attempt to dress it up to be more than it is and turn it completely around from the truth is just too much like how Bush & Co, and the Repubs in Congress have been behaving. In fact just like Bush & Co. she is using opposites as if they were true.
Please HRC, run, stay in the race, try to get as many dels as you can, but damn it if you can't do it with grace, dignity and honesty, drop the fuck out!
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@Renegade Iconoclast
Actually, you're wrong on both counts.
1) Obama was the only candidate that campaigned in Florida. He got a dispensation to run commercials that he said were part of a national ad buy.
2) Obama, through his supporters, was the only candidate to campaign in Michigan. His supporters ran ads that told people how to vote in order to create non-committed delegates who could be seated at the convention as Obama supporters. It is not complicated to give the voters who voted that way to Obama.
Any voter might have rethought their vote after they cast it. We have to go with the best information we have. If they won't do a revote, we have to do the best we can to interpret the initial election results. Disenfranchising millions is not the answer.
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Don't care about the party
Those in the Hillary campaign and her supporters pushing for this don't care about the Democratic party or rules. They only care winning at any any costs.
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My proposal
Just to toss it out there again...
Why not make the entire FL & MI Delegations Super Delegates.
Have them show up as uncommitted delegates with the power to vote for whomever they feel the people of Michigan and Florida want,but not bound by the previous flawed primary results.
So they get there, and they vote. If they break with the popular vote winner, then Obama gets votes, if they feel their constituants back home are hoping for Clinton, then she gets the votes. The key is that they aren't going in as pledged Clinton or Obama delegates, just a random representative sample of Michaganders and Floridians there to exercise their role and express the will of their states, what ever that may be.
It's hard to argue against the idea of people actually expressing their own will in an election.
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it's telling
It's telling of the political biases of this site that no direct link to the petition was provided in this article.
But I found it anyway and signed it. Unlike some Democrats, I for one don't have any desire to piss off potential Dem voters in Michigan and Florida just because it will speed Obama's coronation.
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wow
100,000 people is a little bit more than Obama won from his second place finish in New Hampshire.
Keep hoping against hope Clinton supporters.
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@FilthyHarry
Technically speaking, it's Obama who is acting like a Republican. They're the ones who fight to not have votes counted when they think those votes will go against them. Whether you support Clinton or not, in this case she is on the side of the angels.
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Hillary feigning moral outrage
"Oh, woe is the disenfranchised voter"... who voted in an election that the Democratic Party TOLD Michigan and Florida wouldn't be counted if they went ahead on their own timetable.
Now that Clinton won the primaries no one campaigned for; now that she won a primary she basically went unchallenged in; now she's outraged by the unfairness of the system.
Right. The only way this would ring true is if she lost one of those races and still wanted the delegates seated. That would be a principled position. That would impress me.
Feigning moral outrage on behalf of your own interests is unseemly. I hope the voters see it for what it is.