Letters to the Editor
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But he's disenfranchising state voters!
Oh, wait, they will all have voted by then.
Never mind.
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This is totally reasonable
By July 1st, Clinton will have had the opportunity to show any comeback ability she's got in her. All the Democratic voters/caucus goers will have had their say under the rules (MI and FL will be decided by then, either way).
The only difference between a decision July 1st and at the convention would be total chaos and division vs limited chaos and division -- the ultimate nominee would be the same (assuming Obama is not caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy between July 1st and the convention, which is unlikely).
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It'll be over before that
Obama needs to keep Pennsylvania close, win North Carolina and win Oregon. Indiana would be a nice bonus. After that, it's a done deal. If he manages that, he'll essentially need 150 more Supers behind him to cinch it. I doubt it will be a problem for him to get those numbers.
Clinton is again Dean's proposal because she knwos the only way she can win is to create a major mess of the convention and hope she comes out on top. But it's not gonna happen. As long as Obama meets these expectations, the supers will soon make their voices heard and the race will be effectively terminated.
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@ ceytron
This is likely, given that Rasmussen has Clinton's lead in PA collapsing (she's up by only 5 points now, after being up by 10 just days ago).
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It's over when she says it's over!
And let's hope that's on or before July 1st. The prospect of Clinton scoring points for John McCain for the next 3 months is a bit frustrating, but if it keeps the Clinton folks happy enough to hop on board in July so we can win in November, great.
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This will give them a chance to cool off
I still believe Barack + Hillary will be our best possible ticket. If the race is decided on July 1, they can cool off, and quit trashing one another, and think. Then, at the convention, they can come out together as a united ticket.
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Over by then
Do the math. If you go to CNN election site, click on the delegate count. You can move the lever back and forth to see how the delegate count will come out. If you base it on the polls and most likely wins and still split the last super delegates 50-50 Obama will have the number of delegates need for the nomination by the end of June. Even if they counted MI and Fl the way Hillary wants, she still would not win. Of course Obama really has more delegtes than they are giving him on the CNN scale. They don't have the offcial count and Obama is getting more as those official counts come in. Obama won more delegates in TX for instance.
Hillary does not want the Super delegates to decide by July 1 because she would rather have a fight at the convention.
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Here's how to solve the problem...
Simple. Let the race continue till all states have voted. But, Clinton and Obama both demonstrate which will be the better candidate by focusing on running against John McCain. We can vote in primaries based on how well they do taking on McCain, not bashing each other.
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And if not, Obama will spin the earth backwards like Superman, go back in time
And change the future.
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I was wondering where all the troll posts were!
Finally -- there's one! Whew! For a minute there, I didn't think I was reading Salon.
Is Hillary still a member of that DC-based right-wing cult, by the way?
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By July the first
The flood waters will have burst.
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I'm fine with it going to July 1st.
Basically, lets see what the end vote is in delegates, popular vote, and states won.
*THEN* we can have this debate. I can see how McCain is going to get a free run till then but with the dem fight always in the news, they will get free publicity. McCain is hardly talked about on most news circuits.
We keep going through all these hypothetical scenarios for no reason. There is simply one fact that we all need to realize - Hillary Clinton is not dropping out of the race. As long as she's in, there is nothing anyone can do. After all the voting has been done though, then we can sit around and crunch the numbers and start saying things like....ok, you don't have a delegate lead, you don't have the popular vote, MI and FL are being handled this way, etc. But all this stuff now is pretty much all meaningless. Lets just wait till the last state has voted then go from there.
Although I guess media has to talk about something though huh? Spitzer only took up a week of news. :p
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No mention of some uncomfortable info here
Has anyone noticed, that Obama, the TRIUMPHANT and CONFIDENT victor in this race, is, nevertheless, spending 5 times as much money as Hillary, trying to bring Hillary's vote as low as he can in Pennsylvania? If the delegates can't see through Obama's pathetic and desperate fears and his shameless dependence on money to buttress his campaign, then democrats will once more find themselves in the rubbish heap, after November, once we nominate this sorry rookie.
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Is this really all you've got?
If the delegates can't see through Obama's pathetic and desperate fears and his shameless dependence on money to buttress his campaign, then democrats will once more find themselves in the rubbish heap, after November
Usually, political campaigns are run on peppermint rainbows and elf magic. Obama's ability to raise a metric shit ton of money is therefore a really bad thing.
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The Superdelegates Could End It Right Now -- But They're Afraid To
Despite the view that "Hillary Can't Win," the fact is that Obama can't win either without superdelegates. However, if all or most of the superdelegates went his way right now, that would probably end Hillary's chances. So, with all the talk of how Hillary's wrecking the party by her stubbornness, the superdelegates still haven't done this. So -- why not?
I'll tell you: they are scared to death of Obama as a candidate. They don't know what else is out there that will harm him -- more Pastorgate, Rezko, whatever -- and they want Hillary to help them out by not attacking Obama any further. But that won't help them in the fall against McCain.
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Swami Kovars to the rescue
Yeah, all the remaining superdelegates are staying uncommitted because they are terrified of the black man. That actually kinda makes sense, now that you mention it.
A lot more sense than them just waiting to see how the election goes first. And it sure is convenient you speak for all of them. Thanks for clearing that up!