Letters to the Editor
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@Dataguyx
Are you f'ing kidding me? First off: There is NO Clinton cult -
The "Precious" Obama is the one with the cult and you know it.
That won't wash in any way shape or form.
It amazes me how nasty the ObamaCultists are, you being a a prime
example. One would think, with the Precious One's seemingly
insurmountable lead that you cultists would have at least a modicum of
class, but no, the slightest disagreement about Precious and
you guys slam back with a hammer.
As for you having even a drop of the milk of human kindness? Never,
ever, have I seen one iota of it from you. Always with the testosterone
driven arrogance.
You don't even bother with being condescending as some of your
fellow cultist do.
You are a direct reflection of the immaturity of the Precious Obama
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The cult of personality
When nearly 30% of your supporters will vote against their own self-interest if you aren't nominated, its a personality cult.
When your some of your largest donors threaten to withhold support from uninvolved members of your own party in some sort of revenge strategy, you're the leader of a personality cult.
"A cult of personality or personality cult arises when a leader exaggerates his/her deeds or importance in the face of danger for political gain, IE Stalin's exaggerated importance during the Bolshevik revolution or Hitler's false claims of heroism during the Beer Hall Putsch"
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Cult of personality part II
How often have you heard this;
"If she isn't elected this time, I won't see a woman elected in my lifetime."
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Mutual disarmament of the cult meme, please
I'd like to propose a cease-fire on the use of the word 'cult'. I don't think it's appropriate; in our contemporary culture it implies a weak, unthinking person in thrall to another.
While it is true that ordinary cynical Americans will find the level of emotion displayed by some followers of either candidate unseemly, there is no reason to go overboard. Despite some evidence to the contrary, I think few of us have actually lost our senses. I'm sure a fresh outbreak of cynicism will occur and normalcy will be restored.
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On cultists
I'm fine with ending the whole cultist branding.
I'm just trying to show how easy it is to define anyone.
While we're at in, can we also dispense with the phrase "drank the kool aid" and "thrown under the bus"?
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Speaker Pelosi should be quiet
I believe that if Sen. Obama leads in the popular vote and in pledged delegates at the end of the primaries -- and he very likely will -- that the superdelegates should and will vote for him. But I am not going to be Chair of the Democratic Convention. Nancy Pelosi IS going to be Chair of the Democratic Convention. As such, she has an obligation to abide by the party rules. At the moment, that means she should keep her mouth shut.
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CULT
I define a cultist as someone who applauds when their precious leader blows his nose onstage, as what happened with Obama
a while back. Among other things.
You all know as well as I do that there is an element among
Precious's supporters who see him as the Alpha and Omega.
And indeed, he sees himself that way. Don't even try to
deny it. His wife says he "deigns" to run for president.
Who could be a cultist with Hillary? Her warts and sins are all
out there for every one to see. Barack (worship ME or else!)
Obama hides his with his Alfred E. Newman grin. He's
all sweetness and light until someone dares disagree with him.
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@Number Six
" I'm beginning to think anyone who isn't sold on
this guy yet is really up the tree crazy"
The operative word here is SOLD. As in, "sold a bill of goods"
As in "sold down the river"
As in " a sucker born every minute"
Yep, you have been hoodwinked AND bamboozled.
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Josephine, Hillary Clinton has lost
Somehow, you must start to come to terms. If you're going to vote for John McCain, that's fine; but you must accept that Hillary Clinton will never be elected President. Obama may never be elected either, but unlike Mrs. Clinton he still has a chance.
The super-delegates will not vote for her, and that's the her only path to the nomination.
But even if they did hand her the nomination, no Democrat can win without alomost 90% of the black vote. No Democrat has won the white vote since Johnson and she'd be no exception. Her husband won in 1992 with 38% of the white vote and 90% of the black vote. There's no way in hell she'd get even close to that.
If Obama is elected President, Hillary may try again when she's 68, but I doubt it.
Should Obama be defeated, Hillary Clinton will be almost universally blamed for bringing him down, whether she deserved the blame or not; and she'll be unforgiven in a way John Kerry or Al Gore will never know. So there's no 2012 for her either.
I believe that a woman will be elected someday to the Presidency. But that woman will never be Hillary Clinton.
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@ chhabili: I Think This (Petition) Is Inappropriate Here
If you want to sign this petition, feel free to do it. But I took exception to you posting the letter/petition from moveon here. If you want to discuss the petition here, I think that's perfectly acceptable.
This site is open to supporters of both (all?) candidates for president. It is also a "free" site, in that you can express your opinions freely. Hawking a petition for another organization leans toward using this site for other than personal purposes.
I suspect I will get flack for saying this to you, but it is disrespectful to supporters of other candidates and at the very least crosses over the boundary of letters/personal opinions into "shilling" for a specific cause and organization.
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Shouldn't you put an update on this write-up, Katharine?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/827746.aspx
The WSJ/MSNBC poll oversampled African Americans. Polls are supposed to represent population percentages of national demographics, yet this poll sampled twice as much of african-americans as populate the US. Since they are going for Obama 9 out of 10, no wonder the stats are skewed.
This shows 11% were AA which would be 77 out of 700. But, they state they oversampled by 100 which means 177 were AA (25%).
And have you searched through the text of the polling data from the PEW poll? If you had, you would know it says:
These patterns suggest the potential for future reverberations from the Wright controversy if Obama wins the Democratic nomination. More conservative beliefs about equal rights and race are not only related to negative opinions of Obama among Democrats, suggesting the potential for defections among Democratic voters, but also are associated with negative views of him in the electorate at large.
An analysis of the survey finds that holding conservative positions on political and social values is associated with a greater likelihood of supporting McCain over Obama among Republicans, Democrats and independents, and all demographic groups. In contrast, however, this pattern is much less apparent in the Clinton-McCain matchup, excepting views about women in leadership roles.
One of the few negative trends for Obama following the Wright affair is that a larger number of conservative Republicans hold a very unfavorable opinion of him in the new poll than did so in February. The survey also finds that Obama no longer enjoys the favorable image rating advantage over McCain among independents that was apparent in previous polls. ..
- Nearly six-in-ten Democratic voters (57%) believe that Obama is most likely to win the party's nomination, while 28% expect Clinton to prevail. Last month, 70% said Obama was most likely to win, while 17% expected Clinton to win.
This is a delta difference of postive 11% in favor of Clinton with a delta difference of negative 13% for Obama. The winds are shifting because of Wright.
Hello! Analysis would be great here Katharine, not just reguritation!