Letters to the Editor
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@bernbart
You're being far too charitable towards HRC's position in your "Delusional" post. You concede that even with MI and FL she would still be behind in delegate count, which seems to suggest those states would allow her to overtake Obama in the popular vote. To the contrary...
Even WITH MI and FL, she would remain at least 300,000 votes behind Obama! In fact, if MI's "anyone but hillary" votes are given to Obama, it's closer to 400,000!
Lots of folks in the HRC camp are laboring under the delusion that her big state wins give her an edge in the popular vote. No way... she's behind by every measure. Only Mark Penn and the media, looking ahead to some imaginary Obama collapse, gives her any shot whatsoever of pulling ahead in the popular vote.
As Nagourney makes clear, her ONLY path to nomination is overturning the will of the voters with the supers. And that ain't gonna happen, no longer how many snide comments W.E.S. et al post on these boards.
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c'mon wes
since you seem to be so finely tuned into the pulse of America, and are positive that Wright "crippled" Obama, I wonder...how do you think the African American community would react to your scenario? Do you really think they'd stick with the party that forced the black man to stand aside, even though he was winning and is (arguably) the superior candidate? Can you imagine any scenario wherein the Democrats would ever be able to count on getting the great majority of African Americans to vote for them? Are you really willing to just concede that bloc?
didn't think so.
(now go back to reading Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail...or is it "Better than Sex" this time around? ;)
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This Just In!
Hillary avoids sniper fire in Philadelphia!
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Who...
... are "the party elders" and can I buy them a cookie so that they will force one of the two out of the race? The Page 2 headline in today's newspaper about McCain pulling ahead in the polls makes me want this thing settled. Now.
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debaser
My scenario? How would the African American community react to Obama doing the honorable thing and dropping out?
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The Two Choices With Honor
Were to drop out of that church or drop out of the election.
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Tenacity
Nealwriter wrote: "How ironic that the one thing people seem to admire most about Clinton--her tenacity--could potentially be the undoing of the Democratic party."
Tenacity is a great thing ... when it's tempered by good judgment and a respect for facts. We already have a President with untempered tenacity. Doesn't seem to work very well.
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c'mon wes...
you're being obtuse again...your scenario that obama drop out "honorably" would be portrayed as a case of forcing out the black man who got in the way of the rich white lady...and you know it.
If you're happy with losing an entire voting bloc for a generation (or more) then yeah, sure...that uppity Obama should just step aside...but as Emelio "Young Guns" Estevez once said "reap the whirlwind....reap it!"
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WES
Planet Earth is indeed very pleasant. Why not join us here? Or at least stop sending random missives from the strange planet that sees Senator Clinton as the front-runner and Senator Obama as the candidate who needs to do the "honorable thing" and drop out. What if Senator Clinton did the honorable thing and said:
"I'm damaging the party, my ads and my praise for the GOP candidate have made it more difficult for us to win in the Fall. I misspoke about NAFTA. And Bosnia. And Iraq, and Ireland. And my taxes. And if the people looked at my campaign they could see I'm not really ready on Day One, because I can't even manage my staff. I've allowed tens of millions of dollars to be wasted from my war chest, I can't find a coherent message, I can't keep my staff from sniping at each other and at the press, and really I only seem to win by either playing the victim or by acting like the very thing I should abhor - a Republican. My husband is damaging the legacy he's worked so hard to rebuild these last eight years, and I'm proving that I care more about my own politcal success than I do either my party or my country. I've been poisoning the electorate so thoroughly that Senator Mccain will have a good chance this November, thus setting up my run in 2012. Realizing all this, I feel I must do the honorable thing and drop out now."
Yeah, wouldn't that be great?
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Don't Come At Us With Honor Wes
I don't see anything honorable about hyping the danger in a trip to Bosnia...face it, at that time DC was more dangerous than that province of Bosnia.
She lied. AGAIN. And she can't win. HRC wouldn't know honor if she landed in it and had a welcoming ceremony.
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debaser
If Obama is not the nominee for whatever reason no black will vote democratic for a generation? That sounds a bit like blackmail to me.
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*Sigh*
Barring consecutive blow-outs by either candidate in the remaining primaries, this race is going to come down to the endorsement of the superdelegates. Just as votes in the general election are little more than requests made to the electoral college, so now are Democratic primary votes suggestions to this group of professional politicians.
Good deal!
And I say that as a perennial ranter against the electoral college.
Thing is, this is a strategic decision. The two sub-par candidates that have rammed down our throats by big money and the media now to be weighed, measured and examined. It's almost irrelevant the kind of job that they will do running the country, now that we have the worst case scenario staring at us across the aisle.
It is time for some cold decisions to be made as to which one of these yahoos can beat McCain. If I were a superdelegate I would be contacting the candidates and asking about VP nods. Not for myself but for a better idea of what kind of ticket we will be putting up against McCain/Leiberman (my current 4:1 bet for a faux-unity ticket from the Repugs).
Either Clinton or Obama can walk out of the convention with the nomination at this point. I just think it's sad that they are both going to be walking wounded. Neither one is a lock for November. A pathetic state of affairs considering the state of our nation.