Letters to the Editor
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Dems will not lose NJ
In the last 10 years, there have been election after election in NJ. For some reason, Dems poll low in NJ but do well in elections. The current gov was tied in the polls but won by 10 pts. That's the usual pattern in NJ: Polls show as 10 pts less.
So, no way do dems lose NJ. There have been no Repukeliscum elected in NJ for about 30 years. It's ridiculous to threaten that idea.
In addition, a certain nominee always does a little better than a n uncertain one. In addition, since Hillary and her repulsive followers are doing their best to damage Obama, he polls lower. Once she accepts the inevitable, things will do better for Barack.
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@ red_gti2000
It is a fact that Clinton had 49% negatives when Obama's campaign said that. That's pretty close to half. Maybe "hate" is a strong word, but in politics it's close enough.
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Spin is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone is doing it...
"That's called spin, my friend. Spin this one: http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
I too check RealClearPolitics, and talk about spin! Note that your own link shows they get their average number by including the Gallup poll before it changed today in Clinton's favor. Keep watching, my friend; the trend lines are going against you.
Senator Clinton will win PA by 15 points or more; she will then win West Va, Kentucky, Indiana, and upset Obama in N.Carolina. She'll end with an overwhelming victory in Puerto Rico. The popular vote will end up close but in her favor, and the pledged delegate difference will be about 80, out of four thousand. The polls will show her leading Obama by a statistically significant number. And he will have won nothing after Wisconsin but Oregon, Montana and maybe American Samoa.
If all that happens, I do so hope Senator Obama will just politely drop out, to save the Democratic party. You know, like so many keep demanding Hillary does NOW?
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@jebldmm 10:40 AM
"All Clinton said was that she and McCain has more experience."
That's NOT all she said. I don't recall the exact words*, but it was pretty close to:
"I've passed the Commander-In-Chief test. [How she can make this claim is a different matter.] John McCain has passed the Commander-In-Chief test. Barack Obama made a speech."
If that's not an endorsement of McCain, it's at least a statement that he's qualified to be President and Obama isn't.
"Obama supporters are taking this a step further, suggesting that she was endorsing McCain, which implies that the candidate with more experience is obviously the one that should be President. If you think this way, then you shouldn't be supporting Obama, and if you don't think this way then you shouldn't be suggesting that Clinton endorsed McCain."
Nice job of twisting things around. Of course Obama supporters aren't saying that "more experience" is the obvious deciding factor, we're pointing out that Clinton is saying that - and at the same time she's not only saying she's more qualified than Obama, but she's going out of her way to say McCain is too.
And as others have said, it's self-defeating for Clinton to tout her "experience" as her main qualification, because even if you believe her lies about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia and her early opposition to NAFTA (I wonder how many Ohio voters would switch their votes after hearing the truth), McCain's experience dwarfs hers. Unless you get extra credit for being First Lady of Arkansas for 10 years.
Sorry if this comes of as unfriendly, but as a Floridian I have a tough time being dispassionate when responding to someone whose name starts with "jeb".
*On edit: See Reality-Based Liberal's 10:59 post. Thanks, RLB
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Bryan
There's several months between the convention and election day. If Obama wins the nomination and loses it's because he is an inadequate candidate. Nothing else.
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when will i learn my lesson
i know it's my own fault that i continue to read war room despite alex koppelman's unapologetic efforts to promote - under the guise of journalism - barack obama's candidacy. so every time my skin crawls at koppelman's transparent anti-clinton missives and his unabashed word-for-word recitation (including, as he did here, full re-prints) of obama talking points, i need to remember that i can just click away.
maybe i need to suspend my salon premium membership until after election day...with obama as the democratic nominee, i am certain salon's coverage of a mccain presidency will be worth the price of membership.
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@Doc
"And he will have won nothing after Wisconsin but Oregon, Montana and maybe American Samoa."
pardon me, but hasn't he already won Vermont, Mississippi, Wyoming, and Texas??
She'll win Pennsyvlania by 10-12 pts, but he'll win North Carolina and possibly Indiana by the same margins...
but keep on spinning me right round baby, right round!
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@DrFresh
That was a FANTASTIC Tennenbaums reference!
cheers!
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"We Win, You Lose"
Although I'd choose Obama right now, I would rather choose a candidate whose campaign doesn't have to release a daily dose of:
- My opponent is scum and must quit NOW
- Americans "are choosing" me or my message
Don't tell me what (all) Americans ARE doing!
It seems like commenters on these threads are excitedly joining in over the "who's winning, who's acting stupid, who's a traitor" BS, as if these memos were made for the chance to have a debate on who is more of a loser... rather than debating what this country needs and deserves in terms of policy. I want to hear: what would President Obama actually DO? Not: "Leave the race now, all competitors, resistance is futile!" His campaign is making him sound like an ass, and he's not stopping it. (Of course, it's all of them, not just Obama... I just chose him to comment on here due to the piece.)
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@doc: Smokin
Senator Clinton will win PA by 15 points or more; she will then win West Va, Kentucky, Indiana, and upset Obama in N.Carolina. She'll end with an overwhelming victory in Puerto Rico. The popular vote will end up close but in her favor [...]
Your magic 8-ball must be smokin' today! If all that does indeed come to pass, then we'll have something to talk about and Hillary will have a case. Right now, RCP has Obama up by a composite 5.4% in NC, with no data for IN. PA is still a long, long way aways, let alone NC & IN.