Letters to the Editor
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billcap
"I can only read minds when they're spoken in interviews"
Yes, but that is of course assuming that everything a politician says in an interview is the gospel. Which, I think we're all adult enough to admit, isn't necessarily the case. There certainly is a lot of other reasons Richardson would endorse Obama having nothing to do with her campaign. Also, I"m not sure "kind of" is particularly strong phrasing. And since he's also on record as saying "both sides" have gotten overly negative, it's hardly "The" reason or even a distinguishing one.
And now I'm wondering that if I try to say that the sky is blue, you'll respond by saying how it's just a trick of light diffusion through particles in the atmosphere, and who's to say that what's blue to you is blue to me?
Regardless: you totally win. I'm all parsed out. The year's supply of Rice-a-Roni is yours. Thanks for playing.
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Quiet, folks! No adult conversation, please; the children have arrived.
"condescending and assinine....uppity bi-furcated morality....double standards hide a certain class and race bias...Sorry all for this. But I am sick and tired of this quack's moral and racial superiority."
When the Madame arrives, civility goes out the other door. Happens every time. It was nice while it lasted today.
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Correction
It probably doesn't matter, but the correct phrase would be "Traitorous Hypocrite".
whatever...
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@Red off the hook too easy IMHO
The Obama campaign accused the Clintons of being racist.
I think this is letting the Clinton campaign off the hook too easy, especially with lots of other evidence lying around.
First, even if I agree the race card was played and first played by Obama, if the Clinton campaign was really badass realpolitik and good field generals of the political stripe, they would have antipicated the "race card", and had one of several of Hillary's much vaunted plans ready to deploy to counter it. It's something I would expect of a planner.
Second they ran predominately a Big Blue state only campaign. Hillary even said that the campaign would be over on Feb 5th on a talk show in Dec. The timing of expenditures in her campaign showed they spent all the money for Feb 5th. Obama had more offices and people on the ground in states like Wisconsin, Wyoming and etc. because he planned to run in all contests from the start. Take away just a few of his victories between Feb 5th and March 5th and the race starts to look very different.
Finally there's no reason Hillary couldn't have positioned herself as the change candidate or sought the youth vote, or emphasized internet fund raising from the start.
My 0.02 euro
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@dataguyx
“What a truly stupid letter. I am not writing to venerate Obama. I like him. He's a good politician. He runs a good ground campaign. But stupid ignorant comments like yours are not helpful. No one "venerates" him, bozo …"I have gotten so tired of the Clinton bullcrap that I am holding my nose all the time. The problems are 90 % Hillary - 10 % obama. That's not an opinion, that's a fact."
Free advice --- seriously, dataguyx, get some help. Not an opinion, just fact. I'm a middle-aged Black woman and a physician -- from Chicago. And you’re an asshole. And verbally abusive. And humorless.
I'm not here to praise, or to bury anybody. I've supported both Democratic candidates and will support the nominee. I’m no shill. Just not rabid ... still rational and entitled to my observation that this campaign is pathologically polarized and bellicose, and both sides bear blame or praise, as the case may be. C'est la vie. Voters will decide.
If Clinton is “not able to win the nomination", and that does seem likely, it will be because her campaign and her policies did not resonate, and Obama’s message did and he does indeed have a better ground campaign and more diverse support. My point is the negative campaign business among Democrats is a draw because both sides are culpable, so give your 90%:10% theory ---- I mean fact --- a well deserved rest already. In Chicago anyway, that’s just politics …it's not dewy-eyed and lovely.
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@uncle fester
I wish there were something in your summary I could dispute but there isn't. You have the entire campaign exactly right.
It does sort of shoot holes in the CW of Hillary being this all-calculating machine, though. Seems she's just a good politician who hasn't been good enough at the trade.
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quack
Oh. Now you have hitched your wagon on civility? Sure. The ragin' madam will call your shit every time. Scoot now you old coot and make way for for the new world order. You can hide behind your faux presumptive superiority on civility. But behind that smarm beats a good old fashioned, unreconstructed racist heart. Only in a civil kind of way.
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doc5467 Stuck in the middle
Well, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Obama is better at politics than we thought, Hillary is not as good as we thought. Even if she doesn't get the nomination, second place is no small feat. She beat out Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Edwards, (etc). I acknowledge there is little credit for second place in our politics, but still. I personally think there still great accomplishments in her future.
And once the dems eliminated all the "safe white male" candidates and picked Hillary or Obama, we were headed into some type of conversation about racism or sexism and a potential train wreck. I disagree with Bill Clinton; a McCain vs Hillary contest would not be a genteel discussion of the issues. It would be a knockdown drag out blood bath. Probably not much different from a McCain Obama contest. So I hope everyone saves enough righteous anger, bile and vitriol for the general.
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Uncle Fester
So I hope everyone saves enough righteous anger, bile and vitriol for the general.
Easy for you to say. You don't have to live with coded racist, condescending remarks from the likes of him. Adlai Stevenson is turning over in his grave. He was a much better man than some of his volunteers.
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Madam: Easy for you to say
Less easy than you might imagine
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My apologies Mon Oncle
I need not have taken it out on you. But I am tired of cloaked racist vitriol too.