Letters to the Editor
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@Amerigo
"Why not just tell us the truth about some of them?
Or would that mean treating the electorate like adults?"
Because, in spite of what Obama's supporter's would have you believe, sometimes when people say things that are untrue they do it because they honestly misspoke or misremembered or just got facts wrong. It's not always an effort to deceive. This is probably one of those instances. It seems unlikley that Clinton would intentionally try to deceive people over something that is so easily checked. It seems entirely possible that she meant to tell a story and totally bungled it up. Obama has done it as well - there are a number of "facts" in his memoirs that aren't completely true. It's human. Clinton is human. Obama is human. And "Gotcha!" politics is not helping anybody.
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Point Obama
Hillary is so busted.
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She Lied
A misstatement is when you mistakenly or unintentionally say something that you do not intend. Saying Cleveland, Iowa, instead of Cleveland, Ohio, would be a misstatement. Calling someone by the wrong name would be a misstatement, if you actually knew their right name and jsut had a brain fart or something.
A whole paragraph on a fictional account of a trip to Bosnia is not a misstatement. The words were written, thought out, and completely intentional. And they were not true. Not in the slightest.
She intended every word of that story. She intended the whole account, and not a word of it was true, and she knew it. Her recount of her trip is so ridiculous that it cannot be possible that she misremembered the trip either. I think its pretty clear she, knowingly and willfully, lied.
I think everyone sees this clearly. Nobody believes different. Which is why folks like locait are not saying a single word trying to defend Clinton here. Because not even the most delusional shill could possibly come up with an argument saying she didn't lie. Which is why the rebut has been to attack Obama, who is not actually at issue here.
It's the same thing my Dad does when I argue with him about politics. Criticize Bush about Katrina, and he'll come back with how much John Kerry annoys him. Which has nothing to do with Katrina. He's done this for years.
Don't go down this road folks. Obama is not at issue here. Clinton is. This is all about Clinton lying, not about anything Obama has said or done. Try to defend what Clinton said locait, or try to dismiss it. Otherwise I think everyone should just go ahead and ignore you.
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@jeb
Because, in spite of what Obama's supporter's would have you believe, sometimes when people say things that are untrue they do it because they honestly misspoke or misremembered or just got facts wrong.
Disembarking from a plane under sniper fire is not something one would easily forget.
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I have a perfect internet 'word' for it...
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Two things...
First, the great thing about the Hillary/Obama tit-for-tat on this list, is a number of great points are brought up on both sides that have proven to me they both suck.
Second, please everyone stop calling either of these candidates "liberal". Both are just a hair off from the Republican's views and both look like Reagan in comparison the the liberals I grew up with...
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Forgot to say...
Even so, they don't suck as much as McCain!
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I can see it now
I can see Senator Clinton and President Bush with their elbows on the bar, trading war stories while the young crowd leans in breathlessly for each riveting detail.
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Hillary is completely busted on this one... There's no spinning it
Hillary Clinton is caught, point-blank, in a lie.
There's no other interpretation possible. Sorry!
But you've gotta love how the Clinton supporters are trying to spin this: "B-b-b-but Obama lied too! Obama lied about other stuff!"
Uh-huh. That all you got?
It really says it all that even the Clinton supporters can't find a way to defend her on this one. Instead, they've got to change the subject.
Point: Obama!
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Can somebody say?
Bald faced? I'd hate to hear this if I was backing her campaign, the danger/terror/xenophobia card has been played way too many times Mrs. Clinton. I guess she is sticking with what she knows though; lying! Pathetic, please leave the race.
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Xrandadu Hutman
Lying in the Clinton household is an entitlement, even among her supporters and surrogates. Where are Gore and Edwards when we need them.
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Am I the only one...
...who thinks this is a case of burying the lead?
The real story is what running for cover has to do with international experience.
No one seems to be asking this question.
Let's grant Clinton her hail of bullets, for argument's sake.
What bearing does that have on answering the 3am phone call?
Isn't that the real question?
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weeping for brunnhilde
The real reason to lie is to build a narrative around hillary about the adventures of a hero, you know, the one who dodges a hail of bullets with her head down. But wouldn't the bullets hit the downed head anyway? But as the case will be, she was not dodging any bullets, only questions on her lies, lies and more lies.
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@ madamfountleroy
Exactly!
So shouldn't our attention be focussed on dismissing that preposterous narrative out of hand, or at least challenging Clinton to explain to us how, precisely, she connects such heroism to judicious foreign policy decisions?
Why, in other words, do we (or more importantly, the professional media) for one second concede such a non-sequitur of a premise?
In this case, we don't need to waste our time uncovering this lie because the premise the lie is designed to support is dubious at best.
Same thing with the Carville business. The real story there isn't about "nastiness" or whether Bill Richardson is a "traitor," but rather about the very premise that Richardson's loyalty is owed to Clinton.
In both these cases, the legitimate issues are ignored for yet another round of "I know you are, but what am I!" and "Clinton's an asshole!"
"Obama's a liar!"
"Oh yeah, well Clinton did this!"
"Yeah, well Obama did that!"
I mean Christ Jesus, if we can't have a serious and substantive discussion about these things at Salon, then just where is such a discussion supposed to occur?
What's the point in abstaining from Fox News and Talk Radio only to bring Fox News and Talk Radio here?
Really, I just don't get it.