Letters to the Editor
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@billcap
billcap: "If you're going to fetch quotes, you can at least fetch ones that support your claims."
That is what I did. The quotes I posted supported the things I have been claiming were false. I didn't make any other claims.
billcap: "I've never said the "running" part wasn't false or claimed."
You seemed to be denying that this might be a lie.
billcap: "There are a slew of people jumping up and down screaming about 'actual sniper fire" as an indicator of how low she'll go..."
Why are you arguing with me then? I am not one of those people.
billcap: "...how she's trying to trump up her "heroism"..."
This does seem to be the motive for the exaggerations.
billcap: "None of your quotes support her saying repeatedly that she met actual sniper fire."
That's because I never made that claim to begin with.
billcap: "The point is that all of you saying she has been going around telling the country she took actual sniper fire are wrong."
"All of you"?
billcap: "Yes, silly me. I "misdirectdirect" to the truth."
Ha ha. No, you have been misdirecting away from the main argument, moving it to things that I didn't say, or that have little to do with the subject.
billcap: "What is your phobia against telling the whole story?"
You might better ask that of Hillary Clinton.
billcap: "But you must, must, limit the telling to the last sentence and last two minutes. Why? Because the rest undermines the whole HIllary is a liar..."
Wrong. Again, the claim is not that everything Hillary said was false. I have never claimed that. The claim is that key parts of her story were false. You have already agreed on this. Those key parts do lead to the story giving a different impression of the event.
billcap: "I don't need my candidate to be perfect or never wrong..."
Nor do I, and I've made statements to that effect in this exchange.
billcap: "I don't need the opponent of my candidate to be some big scary always wrong target of my scorn."
Nor do I, and my statements about Hillary Clinton have been quite balanced.
billcap: "Hilary bad. Obama spectacular. Obama yummyliscious."
You must be responding to somebody else again.
billcap: "Obama no lie, he only "vague"."
If you can show where Obama lied, then by all means, provide the quote. I already challenged you on this and you backed down. That's because he did not lie.
billcap: "Obama no lie, he only "technically" not tell truth."
When I said "technically" I didn't mean it as some sort of admission that he lied. I meant it that his statements could not be defined as an actual lie. I do admit that he kept his statements vague on the matter, and in that sense he was evasive. But he did not, in fact, lie. It is hypocritical of you to claim that Obama lied when you won't even admit that Hillary Clinton lied. Which is it? Did they both lie, or did neither? Or did only Obama lie but not Clinton? What are you saying?
billcap: "In case Obama do bad thing, he do something "spectacular'"
Yes, it was a really good speech. Obama did set matters straight in terms of his relationship with Wright and his views on the issues underlying the controversy. What is your objection to me saying this?
billcap: "I do find it interesting that when presented with Obama supporters saying factually incorrect things about Hillary on this matter your first reaction isn't to agree they're wrong..."
You moved this from a debate over whether Clinton said factually incorrect matters, to a debate over whether other people were overstating the lies she told. I have never been debating about that. If you want to change the subject to what other people have said, then you might let me know that you're conceding the first subject before you move on to the other one.
billcap: "You simply say "that isn't my argument", without even making a judgment on those clearly wrong (or lying) statements."
I'm not making a judgment on them because I haven't noticed them. Plus I am less interested in that debate -- it's a step removed to the main debate, which is the subject of this forum (the one that is in the gray box at the top of this screen).
billcap: "In the interest of again, respect, courtesy, fairness, one would think you'd say something like--"well, those people are wrong" or "they're idiots"."
I haven't read them. You quoted a few brief phrases, but you didn't provide the context of the quotes, you didn't say where the quotes came from, you didn't provide a link or reference to the location of the quotes (which page?), and you didn't name any names.
Again, I'm going to try to bring this back to my own position on the subject, rather than the position you are demanding I take on some other subject. My position is that it seems very, very clear that Hillary Clinton purposely lied on some (not all) of the details of the Bosnia arrival story in order to make it sound more dangerous and impressive than, as the video reveals, it actually was. You can use "stretched facts" if you find the word "lied" too strong, but I think the word "misspoke" is just a euphemism.
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Additional parts of Clinton's story appear to be lies
Check out this link:
Air Force pilot, Col. William "Goose" Changeose (sp?) who flew Clinton to Bosnia on the C-17 tells story
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/68124.html
According to the pilot who flew Clinton in, the following things were not true:
-- people were not directed to "sit on their flak jackets." The pilot says he's never heard of anybody doing this at any time during his entire career in the Air Force, although he does remember that it was a detail in "Apocalypse."
-- the pilot was not aware of any reports of sniper fire, and says if there had been sniper fire (or a mere threat of sniper fire), the plane would not have landed
"Yeah, so, no evasive maneuver. I gotta tell ya, I will give it to the commander of Air Base Eagle. He had that place - you know, not only were there no bullets flying around, there wasn't a bumblebee flying around."
-- Clinton was not directed to run or duck upon exiting the plane
-- Clinton was not the first high-profile person to enter Bosnia after the peace agreements (Bill Clinton and the Sec. of Defense had already been there)
-- The plane did not perform an "evasive maneuver" to land, but rather it was a short, steep landing that all similar cargo planes (such as the armored C-17) approaching that runway had to make
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Honestly, I can't see how anybody can look at all this and walk away with any other conclusion besides "Hillary Clinton lied."