Letters to the Editor
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Repulsive Comments By Gordon Wagner
Gordon, go get a colostomy or something and clean out mouth.
"The USA is a big, stupid lummox with an evil Zionist imp on its shoulder, whispering in its ear. You know that Hollywood scumbag-vampire type that's being restrained from accessing Britney Spears via a restraining order? That's what the USA needs -- a restraining order on Israel and Israel agents and Israeli sympathizers in the USA from feeding our politicians dubious information because our politicians are so fucking stupid they may as well be human Etch-a-Sketches."
You paranoid schizophrenic.....get lost.
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No benefit of the doubt for John McCain
In part because "That's how we got into Iraq in the first place," as webcelt wrote.
But also because McCain has admitted he knows nothing about the economy. He offers no domestic agenda. McCain is Mr. Foreign Affairs, General War Dude. And if you put all your eggs in the foreign affairs basket, you'd better be spot on all the time.
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Stupidity summa cum laude
McCain should realize that alQaida is a Sunni organization with roots in Bushits great friends and allies Saudi totalitarian kingdom, while Iran is Shia, has a democratic background destroyed by the USofA on behest of big oil when the reserves of Iran were nationalized by the democratically elected President Mossadec to the chagrin of Britain who in turn got the US to intervene by organizing and financing the return of the dictatorial Shah. His overthrow was left to the only group strong enough to do it, the Mullahs, definitely not to the advantage of the average Iranian. It pays to check your facts before spouring Bushit, John.
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Ok, got to disagree with the letters so far......
McCain is doing that deliberately - even the "oooops, I didn't really mean that" bit is a gambit to get the thought out there, just as when a lawyer will say something during a trial that he/she knows will be stricken and the jury will be told to ignore.
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Pass the blame, er, ammunition...
Yeah, it's all the fault of Iran that Iraq is the mess our government has made of it.
At this point in time, for any politician running for president to be unable (unwilling?) to make the distinction between Shiite Iran and Sunni al Qaeda, or worse, trying to conflate the two, sounds as delusional as Bush and Cheney et al., spinning their best "responding to 9-11 by striking Iraq" bullshit.
That the MSM will not call out their canonized favorite "straight talking maverick" Senator should be the story, as much as said Senator's nonsensical ranting.
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Hypothetical Question
Say, hypothetically, that we obtain definitive proof that Iran is aiding AlQaeda, with funding and training. And I mean definitive proof, whatever it may be, that leaves no doubt about it. What do we do? Have the UN impose sanctions? Go in there? What do you all think?
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Hypothetical question...
Say, hypothetically, that rainbows turn out to cure cancer. And I mean definitive, scientific, peer-reviewed proof. Should we take all of our cancer patients and stick them in a brightly lit room full of prisms? Bus them to areas where rain and sunshine are occurring simultaneously? Thoughts?
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Ignoring mysticmom
This thread was going pretty nicely, very civil. Since this is something that could very probably happen, and I hear people commonly saying its all sabre-rattling, I'm curious what people think if it is true. At this point in time, what can the US actually do?
mysticmom, i'm sure you're raising some very sarcastic children.
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Well...
First of all, this is my mother's account. So what I post doesn't necessarily reflect the views held by the owner of this username.
But anyway, you're trying to cling desperately to the idea that McCain might have been right. You resorted to a ridiculously unlikely hypothetical. And you didn't expect to be mocked?
But I'll humor you. If Iran is found to be training al Qaeda, we should bring in our military might to crush them. That's what you wanted to hear, right?
Thing is, if Iran were training al Qaeda, it would be indicative of good relations between Sunni and Shi'ite. Which would mean Iraq wouldn't be a chaotic hellhole right now. Which would mean this wouldn't even be an issue right now, because we wouldn't still be occupying Iraq.
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Hypothetical Question
Lets say, your government is lying to you, you have absolut proof, what do you do?
Do you believe all the other stuff they tell you, or do yo u impeach them?
Wait sorry, that's not hypothetical. Bad example.
Lets say your president is a moron, there is absolute proof, (his IQ) do you fire him and hire a new one, or do you re-elect him,
Wait thats not right either.
Damn, reality is hard.
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if Iran were training al Qaeda, it would be indicative of good relations between Sunni and Shi'ite
Well, as stated before, Iran has good relations with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, both SUNNI organizations. And here's the deal: Not all Sunnis and Shiites hate each other with a passion and want to blow themselves/each other up. Not all Muslims are wackos, there are just a lot of extremsists right now, who have gotten themselves a little bit of power and a whole lot of weapons.
But, as for your answer, no, that's not what I want to hear. I don't take pleasure in knowing the US is invading another country. I personally don't know if Iran and AlQaeda are connected somehow. I wouldn't doubt it, though. But instead of simply insulting back and forth, I would like to know what people think would be a rational solution.
Obviously, the way we went about things with Iraq would not work, so what do we do?
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Sunnis and Shi'ites
Iran likes Hamas and Islamic Jihad because they fight Israel. Al Qaeda has been murdering Shi'ites in Iraq. Not something Iran is likely to support.
I don't want to see us invade another country either. Which is good, because there is, at present, absolutely no reason for us to do so, McCain's alternate Middle Eastern universe notwithstanding.
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@kufir77
"Say, hypothetically, that we obtain definitive proof that Iran is aiding AlQaeda, with funding and training. And I mean definitive proof, whatever it may be, that leaves no doubt about it. What do we do? Have the UN impose sanctions? Go in there? What do you all think?"
I think the world would, rightly, laugh in our faces. We shot our collective credibility by lying about Iraq. Furthermore, we ain't got the troops to do shit to Iran. Sure, we can bomb them a few times and they can make Iraq more of a living hell than it already is, for the next 100 years.