That's not "very good" -- it's lame

WTEblog posted the exact same comment twice on this article and in two other places on Salon. Rampart already caught CarolynKay signing up just so she could post Clinton propaganda. As far as I can tell, no one on the Obama side has been doing this.

Do you really think that spamming messageboards is going to turn your candidate's campaign around?

I think Carolyn's post speaks volumes as to why Ms. Clinton is doing so poorly. A homemade, and fairly primitive, clip that answers the legitimate questions about Ms. Clinton's lack of wisdom (her experience seems to be a poor teacher for her) in voting for the war in Iraq with a tissue-thin attack on Obama.

If I am simply deluded for falling for that dreamboat (B. Obama) it is still a lot better than being what I'd have to be to support Hillary Clinton.

Nothing adds to a discussion like spam from a true believer. Congrats on your first post, Carolyn.

And it's very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdVjCXpbg8w

Carolyn Kay

MakeThemAccountable.com

Before I depart I'll just say that genealogists are claiming that Obama has Irish DNA from way-back-when on his mother's side and that's quite likely one of the reasons I have my doubts about him.

Let me put some words in your mouth: "Don't vote for Obama, he's Irish!"

I think Stewsburntmonkey and I were meditating on the nature of Power. We've had so much of it over the last 50 decades or so, that we don't even notice it. I think that's one of the reasons you should visit, to see that. And I agree with him that we can and should attempt to act for good. And I understand there's a big difference of opinion on the definition of good acts. Just try getting drunk in a pub with an Irish-American, a Scot and an Englishman while discussing Ireland. Eye opening, but not necessarily recommended.

I intended to keep schtum as one writer was complaining that the posts had diverged wildly from discussing the various attributes of two similar campaign advertisements. It did cross my mind that comparing and contrasting two virtually identical advertisements, with just a change of personnel, could be a very sterile argument but I accepted that person's point.

However, it now pains me greatly to have to tussle with Stewsburntmonkey again but, excruciating though the pain is, I can't be found wanting. That charming chappie (how'd I guess) fails to differentiate between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland where there's been peace since the l920s. I'm not going to inflict a lesson in Irish history on anyone but will encapsulate with a glancing reference to Bill Clinton. There are six counties in Northern Ireland which, to date, is under the British Crown. There are 26 in the Republic and those 26 became independent in l922 after fighting against the British forces. The Republic is an independent and sovereign nation.

I'm not going into the reasons for the conflict in Northern Ireland which go back to the l7th century, roughly to the time that European settlers were staking their claim to what was called British North America. Many people of good-will were trying to bring peace to Northern Ireland, among them American Senator George Mitchell. Britain and the US are allies. Tony Blair, the British Prime Minister until last summer, was also responsible for Northern Ireland and did his best to sort it - not before time. Bill Clinton, President of the US became involved and his contribution was appreciated but there were many, many more players in all of this, people whose names are not a household word. Blair, strongly pro-America, was a popular PM in Britain until he blotted his copybook forever by supporting Bush's war and against the wishes of vast swathes of the British people. That decision of his is still rumbling on and last week British judges ruled that "Cabinet confidentiality" could not be sustained in regard to the decision to support the invasion of Iraq. The reason is that there was wide public unease with Blair's decision and now the

previously-confidential papers covering the debates among Ministers about allying Britain with George W. Bush in March 2003 will be released. Has this anything to do with Northern Ireland? Maybe - on the basis of "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" but Tony Blair made an enormous mistake in scratching Bush's back on the basis of the trust and understanding that used to exist between th UK and America. Yes, Clinton was popular here and also in the UK but he also enjoyed the adulation and "freebies". I admit I've a tendency to scepticism and being contrary, although I'm not apologising for it, but I could look at Bill on tv, admire his way with words and his relaxed body-language, and still see that he was a bit of a chancer. Born and raised in this small country, I could tell it in my bones and it would be unIrish of me to make any further comment on politicians "on the make". Just think of Tammany Hall. Before I depart I'll just say that genealogists are claiming that Obama has Irish DNA from way-back-when on his mother's side and that's quite likely one of the reasons I have my doubts about him.

...what if Ms. Clinton wins the nomination on the basis of experience? She'll face an opponent who trumps her experience and has voted similarly on Iraq. This is only a race for the nomination. It is clear to me that Mr. Obama makes a better candidate in a contest with Mr. McCain. Of course, Clinton's advocates fail to see the big picture because, to me, her failures in this campaign have become personal for them--but support for her may as well be support for McCain.

YES WE CAN

(Imagine that!) We are becoming convinced of it, i believe. Isn't it great?!

PS I cant wait for his 'Google for Government'...

I agree wholeheartedly. We all have some responsibility for being detached and complacent and allowing the politicians to do as they please. Absolutely. I'm not abdicating that.

Which came first the disillusionment or the detachment? Who knows? I'm 40 and the last time i was marching in rallies was to protest apartheid in South Africa and urging my university to divest of interests there (which it did) and shortly thereafter the whole regime 'fell'. So I've seen government BY THE PEOPLE can work - if enough people act.

Not everyone in the country (especially those younger than me)can say that and may have a firmer basis for cynicism.

Yes we have to be involved. Yes we have to bear the responsibility of complacency. But the prerequisite to involvement is believing it can make a difference.