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Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:00 AM

We have a winner -- finally

Hillary Clinton is declared the victor in New Mexico's caucuses, and it only took nine days to count the votes.

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Thursday, February 14, 2008 02:53 PM

Even in a small-state caucus

Latinos won't vote for Obama.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:08 PM

Wooo hooo! Go Hillary!

That should bring up the momentum!

This calls for a celebration! Let's all watch the "Hillary4U&Me" song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no&eurl

YES - SHE - CAN!

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:11 PM

cythera45

. . .

Riiiiiiiiight.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:14 PM

Good for Hillary...

...but she's going to have to crush Obama in Texas and Ohio if she ever expects to pull out the nomination. And having Patti Solis Doyle depart because of "Mommy issues" doesn't exactly help show what feminists her supporters are. (In all fairness, the reasoning Doyle provided, in my opinion, is disingenuous nonsense. I'd prefer honesty over melodramatic treacle any day.)

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:20 PM

Call out the right wing trolls and shills like Cytheria

Bottom line, if you won't support the nominee, whoever it is, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Hillary and Obama would absolutely agree.

Anyone who disagrees is very suspect, and not likely, "one of us," but more likely, "one of them," and it's important that we point that out.

The enemy of peace and freedom is McCain, not Obama or Clinton. McCain will stay in Iraq 10,000 years if necessary, would appoint justices in the mold of Roberts and Scalia, would make Bush's tax cuts permanent, would continue Bush's policy of laissez-faire eco-destruction, and admits he knows next to nothing about economics.

Anyone who won't agree that either Obama or Clintion are far, far better than McCain is a right-wing troll, or paid shill, or both. End of story. Cytheria, yes, I mean you.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:24 PM

Hey!

If Hillary won New Mexico, it must mean that this is a caucus that "counts"! Hooray for New Mexico.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:25 PM

recounts work

New Mexico was actually able to conduct a full, fair, uncontested recount...

interesting, isn't it?

like the outcome or not, at least the voters' will was upheld.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:32 PM

Proportional representation

Since the Democratic party uses proportional representation, and Clinton beat Obama by a small number of votes, this seems more like a symbolic victory than anything substantial. At most, Clinton my narrow the gap between her and Obama by one delegate.

Still, there is something to be said for a morale boost...

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:44 PM

Salon needs bozo filters

For the money I spend subscribing, it would be nice to have a few timesaving tools, like the ability to ignore certain dupes, shills, saps, and trolls permanently.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 03:46 PM

Clinton's response

from the AP story:

----Clinton said in a written statement. "New Mexicans want real solutions to our nation's challenges. As president, I will continue to stand up for New Mexico and will hit the ground running on day one to bring about real change."------

New Mexicans want REAL solutions! Those last 8 states? They wanted FAKE solutions!

And again, the "day one" line. Because all of the other candidates were gonna spend the first few days drinking beer and shooting pool.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 04:06 PM

Ready on Day One

to start running for Term Two.

Having said that, I'm voting for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is. I'd just much rather it be someone who didn't give Dubya a blank check for Iran and who wants to seat delegates from a "primary" that had one name on the ballot.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 05:14 PM

This only confirms Obama's inability to be competitive in the south west

Chicano's just don't like him. (nor do Asians) Hillary swept AZ,NY and CA for that reason and it's just past time to wake up and smell the coffee if it isn't already too late.

We can only hope the super delegates have the good sense to let Obama nowhere near the nomination as he's obviously prospectively the weakest Gen election Dem since Dukakis.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 05:38 PM

@Renegade

Bottom line, if you won't support the nominee, whoever it is, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Hillary and Obama would absolutely agree.

I used to agree with that. But then after watching the once-strong Democratic Party get turned into a permanent minority , an irrelevant, pathetic party after 25 years of losses brought onto them near entirely because of petulance leftwingers deliberately serving as spoilers or willfully driving out one coalition after the other in effort to "purify" the party to their fucked up little litmus test, I don't anymore.

It's not "rightwing" to want a strong party and it's not "righwting" to work in coalitions with people on some common interests to win. It's in fact rather the ONLY way you get anywhere.

Nor is it "rightwing" to be past sick and tired of the most extreme faction of the party serving as spoilers and acting like petulant children over what amounts to crackpot rheotric - like Al Gore wasn't good enough cause his Daddy left him some Occidental trust shares, their outright looney and irrational hatred for Hillary and refusal to see through this blowup doll from Chicago who hsa never served Hillary isn't good enough even though she was the strongest, tested candidate we had with favorability ratings the Republicans couldn't touch anymore and had spent her entire life in public service to progressive causes. Joe Lieberman had an 87% leftwing voting record and we lost the Senate by one vote because that wasn't good enough for you obnoxious nuts. He disagreed with you "liberals" on one single issue, and you sure showed him.

This has been going on since Humprhey vs Nixon where obnoxious extremists just like yourself handed the election to Tricky Dick rather than vote for a center-left candidate that would have one. If even ONCE after doing this you faggots had learned and apologized and stopped that might be different. But you don't; you do it all over again every 2-4 years.

With another 20 million Americans behind the povertyline and another 15 million or more hovering on it and the economy melting down, nobody is amused anymore.

Thursday, February 14, 2008 05:42 PM

At my caucus location, I had quite a shock.

A guy in our neighborhood who flies the flag (nothing wrong with that), has an NRA sticker on his vehicle, has a Defend America sign out front, had a Bush/Cheney sign in his yard in '04, caucused for Obama.

I later had an opportunity to ask him why he caucused for Obama. He looked at me and grinned, "Because I want him running against a former POW."

Thursday, February 14, 2008 05:43 PM

@ anon 5:03 pm

"caucuses skewed with blacks and lefties who were fawning over him because he was feeding them the "Iraq is ALL Hillary's fault" chicken droppings they insisted on being told. "

Wow.... those blacks and lefties! Nice post, man. You've convinced me!

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