"If you don't see a difference with Hillary's face there, then your guy is VERY vulnerable, dude."

Obama's my guy, too. And I don't see the difference. Does HRC have some military experience that I don't know about? What do you mean?

And I hope you're ready for the ruthless photoshops and hit pieces of Hillary as a fatass broad, a killer, a traitor, a lesbian, and (worst of all) Bill Clinton's puppet.

ANY democrat can expect both barrels from the repugs. But Hillary Clinton can expect nukes. A lot of people on the other side HATE her. And her husband. Too many people on our side don't like her enough. Some of you HRC supporters should spend more time figuring out what Hillary needs to do and less time bitching because she needs to do it.

Finally, how far apart are HRC and Obama on the war TODAY?

Directly from her website:

"Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home."

Are you still so sure Obama's a dove and Hillary's some kind of hawk?

Here is the text of Barack Obama's speech in 2002 opposing giving Bush authorization to go to war with Iraq:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

What is remarkable about this speech is that it makes one wonder if Obama had a time machine that let him see exactly how the Iraq War would unfold. Well, he didn't have a time machine. He had intelligence, wisdom and principle. On the most important issue of our time, these qualities were found to be notably lacking in Hillary Clinton. She should have make the speech that Obama made. She didn't. Why not?

Obama's strength is that he not only invigorates the base (regular dem supporters like me), he draws in lots of first-time voters, ocassional voters, and fence-sitters that normally wouldn't vote at all or wouldn't vote democrat. They are excited about HIM. It is inevitable that, if he doesn't get the nomination, some of them aren't voting. Hey, if you want to vote for change, but your only choices are different versions of the same old thing, and therefore it will make no difference, why vote? This isn't some "threat", it's a fact. I don't agree with the sentiment, but there you go.

And all of that "experience" that HRC likes to tout makes her seem part of the establishment, like it or not.

On the other hand, most of HRC's supporters are probably going to vote for *any* democrat that gets the nomination. I just don't think that she is adding voters to the rolls. So the key here is to make sure that Obama pledges to work--actually work--to keep those people engaged if he doesn't get the nomination. If he does that, everything may work out. (Though I still think it will be tough for her--man, do a lot of people dislike here for a lot of different reasons) If he doesn't, I'll be at the front of the line to kick his ass.

For the cheap seats, please note that I doubt that any of the Obama-only people are voting McCain. So IF he doesn't get the nod and they all go away, the party has lost nothing, because it had nothing. But if he gets the nod, we win. Simple as that.

better get used to the first two words in this article's title. Oh, the tears and the tantrums we'll have to endure before it's all over.

Hillary's rallies, being packed with women, in very close proximity to one another for that length of time.... if they 'sync' up with one another's cycles... when Hillary loses, there's a 25% chance that a large portion of this country's female population will go into a complete and total pre-menstrual meltdown the likes of which have never been seen....

It is important to remember the fact that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were in vastly different phases of their careers in 2002. At the time, conventional wisdom was that Clinton, as a highly visible senator with an eye on the presidency, would be committing political suicide if she didn't back the resolution. If Obama had been in her position, it would have taken not only great foresight but astounding political courage to oppose the war, and I'm not certain he would have had the courage to challenge the resolution under those circumstances.

. . . But I am sure that Hillary Clinton did not possess the requisite courage or foresight. While I still wonder how Obama would have acted, I want out country to have an extraordinary president, and Clinton failed to be extraordinary when it mattered most. Obama is not a certainty for me, but for now, I am compelled to cast my lot with him.

"What about Washington state where I live? They explain it because we are all college educated and higher income, but the entire state but one district went to Obama. If you've ever been in eastern washington, you really don't get the impression that they are all stock owning, starbucks drinking, SUV driving people. We even joke sometimes that we should succeed from eastern washington so they can vote for republicans and we can vote for democrats."

I live in Seattle too, but I grew up in Eastern Washington, in the Tri-Cities. I don't think you can completely discount the demographics so easily. Contrary to popular belief, it's not all Republicans and yokels. Also, if you look at the county by county results, in the counties with the highest latino populations (Franklin - 56%, Adams - 52%, Yakima - 41%, Grant - 35%), the results were much closer between Obama and Clinton, more like 55-45, instead of the 70-30 like other parts of the state. I think that is really interesting.

(http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/county.shtml?state=WA&race=P&jurisdiction=0&party=D,

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/race/summarytables.asp)

So what you're saying Jax, is that in parts of Washington State with high Latino populations Obama merely wins convincingly rather than stunningly?

Adams: 52% to 45%

Franklin: 51% to 48%

Grant: 55% to 45%

Yakima: 55% to 43%

All favoring Obama, if anyone missed the point.

What I have to ask is: If Adams is 52% Latino and Franklin is 56% Latino, isn't it more likely than not that Obama got the Latino vote in those counties?