Letters to the Editor
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Clinton Cries Again
It used to be her party, and she can cry if she wants to; you would cry too if it happened to you. Willy Joe.
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@ Anonymous 2:08
It is astonishing that you determine so much about me based upon my post in this thread. In fact, I did not become a Clinton supporter until yesterday. The person who had my most recent support was John Edwards.
You said:
What you do not seem to understand is that your attitude -- which seems to amount to "it doesn't matter how nasty a campaign we run because when Hillary is the nominee, you'll have to vote for her or otherwise McCain will win" -- is precisely offensive to Obama supporters who tend to doubt the Clintons' loyalty to the principles of the Democratic party.
Where on earth did I defend nasty campaigning? Show me. Of course I think you should vote for the democratic nominee if you are a Democrat. It is quite strange that you would talk about unity and healing wounds and then turn around and attack me based upon something I have never said.
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@ Anonymous 2:08
is articulating the position a lot of us who support Obama feel right now from Clinton supporters. Just wanted to commend you on your posts.
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Why we are discussing this.
Because people that have been influenced by these tactics need to be called out and the similar timing of this latest Hillary ploy needs to be highlighted.
Anyone that is not disgusted by these blatent tactics is really not going into this with their eyes open.
Fill in the blank:
"Well, I said I would not ________; already we're not exactly on the path,' Clinton said with emotion after the introduction."
This is what you can look forward to if Hillary is elected. Lots of broken promises, and anything to get on to that next election/achievement.
Time for a change!!!!
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@ SocsandTwigs
Yours is the lamest analogy that I have ever read at Salon.
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AKA Smith
Given the opinions I've seen you express on Salon on the small time I've been here, it makes me proud to hear you express that. Keep attacking - it's really all you Hillary fans can do now, and I have no doubt your will get uglier and more base.
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AKA Smith
Your basic position, as far as I can tell, is this: "If Hillary is the nominee, you'll have to vote for her or otherwise McCain will win."
Now, if I am obliged to vote for the Democratic nominee UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, it follows that it doesn't matter how nasty a campaign she runs. If she wins the nomination, she's entitled to my vote.
I'll admit that I deliberately overstated YOUR position, but I did so in order to show how offensive it might be to an Obama supporter. Just as you don't like to be threatened, i don't like being blackmailed or backed into a corner. If Clinton uses win-at-any-cost tactics against my candidate and then turns around and claims she is entitled to my support because she has vanquished him, you can surely see how my acquiescence would validate the use of win-at-any-cost tactics.
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@ SocsandTwigs
I am not attacking you as an Obama supporter. I don't even know if you are an Obama supporter. In fact, there are Obama supporters I like and admire based upon the intelligence of their posts. Doloresflower and totoro are two.
I am just saying that your so-called analogy makes no logical sense. Tears are usually an involuntary response to emotion. When someone says that they didn't want to cry but teared up anyway, it has nothing at all to do with promise breaking. Sorry you don't like my posts. Too damn bad. Tough titty! I don't usually snark at people unless they offer irrational stuff up as meaningful. I like logic.
Hillary crying or not crying doesn't really speak to me at all. However, attacks on her over this trivia says plenty about her attackers.
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@ Anonymous
Surely you can see that all I am saying is that if people who support Obama who are good Democrats don't support Clinton if she is the nominee, then they have to live with the consequences. That is only logical.
I intend to support the Democratic nominee. In politics, I don't tend to be moved by emotion. I also don't see that either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama have run a dirty campaign. On both sides, it has been rough sometimes but rough is not dirty. Dirty implies something else like stolen, dishonest.
I have yet to see anyone lay a glove on Hillary herself over dirty tactics in this campaign. No candidate can be held entirely responsible for what their surrogates say. I want the Democrats to win in November. If the Republican nominee tries to get rough -- and they will -- I hope the Democratic nominee has the know-how to get rough back. If Kerry had responded more aggressively to swift boat tactics -- which I have not seen used by the Democrats in this campaign -- we would never have had to endure eight years of GWB.
Now as to what personally offends a person, people are entitled. I don't like the snide sexism that has been used against Senator Clinton in the media. You can actually see it everywhere. Sometimes at Salon. Sometimes at TPM. It is at the progressive blogs and not just among the right. It is everywhere and it offends me. Has it nudged me towards Clinton? Maybe it has a bit, but I still think that the overriding reason I now support her is her health care plan. It's just better.
People who want to fight the war vote all over again are, to me, those who are looking to the past an not the future.
When Obama says that he is not sure if his supporters will support Clinton, he is giving them permission to engage in devisive tactics. He is not bringing us together but being cynically disingenuous. Good Democrats urge Democrats to support Democrats.
Now if you are really an independent instead, then vote for whom you please. Or don't vote if it pleases you. Whatever your choice, it is your responsibility. We all have a responsibility to vote our conscience. We all have to live with the result of our choices.
I just don't think John McCain will make a good president and certainly more of our servicemen and women will die if he is elected.