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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:00 AM

Having it both ways

If Hillary Clinton takes Bob Johnson at his word, how can she also believe that his comments were "out of bounds"?

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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 08:46 AM

YAWN.... Tim you are getting so boring with your Hillary bashing

Give it a rest. Clinton and Obama agreed to drop the race/gender thing, why can't you?

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 08:46 AM

Just Drop It

We've had enough of this petty crap. Both Hillary and Obama agreed last night. Just drop it.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 08:47 AM

Geez Tim...

Couldn't wait to take another shot... or did you receive the Obama camp talking points memo and just hadn't gotten to this yet.

Yawn

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 08:48 AM

Depends on what "is" is - Redux

Here we go again...want to have our cake and eat it too. Sorry but I could never vote for someone when I couldn't tell if they were talking straight with me or not.

Obama seems to do that to tell the truth...Hillary, not so much.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 08:57 AM

Fair enough. Now let's move on.

It's true that Clinton contradicted herself. Politicians do that sort of thing, especially when they're campaigning. We can add this to our personal scales when weighing who to vote for.

That said, I agree with the others here: let's drop it. Clinton and Obama have made their peace. Russert pursued it anyway, rather than pursuing matters of true importance. Time to move on.

EDWARDS 2008!

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 08:57 AM

Fair enough. Now let's move on.

It's true that Clinton contradicted herself. Politicians do that sort of thing, especially when they're campaigning. We can add this to our personal scales when weighing who to vote for.

That said, I agree with the others here: let's drop it. Clinton and Obama have made their peace. Russert pursued it anyway, rather than pursuing matters of true importance. Time to move on.

EDWARDS 2008!

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 08:58 AM

Nitpicking...

This is nitpicking. Johnson's comments were ambiguous to say the least. Barack and Hillary have kissed and made up.

WTF do you think Hillary is supposed to say? "Yes, I completely disassociate myself from black billionaire Johnson and anyone who reads his shitty magazine Ebony, because his ambiguous remarks about my friend Barack Obama might have been interpreted to mean that Obama was doing illegal drugs when I was First Lady of Arkansas, which is not the way I want this debate to go, at least not if it looks like I approve of it. Oh, yes, and it was me who choppped down the cherry tree!"

Politics is not Mister Rogers' Neighborhood and Barack Obama is not your average hoodie.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:01 AM

Clinton is getting a pass on this one.

It obvious that Bob Johnson's statements were an attemtped reference to Obama's past drug use, which is all fine and good. If he had explicitly said that was what he was refering to, there wouldn't be a problem. The conversation would actually be about Obama's past drug use, which some people think is important (I don't personally).

The issue now is Johnson's ridiculous back-pedaling and Clinton's hypocritical comments about the supposed negative campaign Obama is running. That Clinton seems to be buying Johnson's excuse either means that she's an idiot, or that she thinks that we are idiots.

The former is obviously not true. The latter is debatable.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:01 AM

Enough Already

Nobody cares!

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:07 AM

"When, exactly, did Johnson himself say that his comments were out of bounds?"

He didn't. Hillary will say anything to get the nomination. I'm starting to think that a portion of the Clinton-bashing right was correct at least on one of their criticisms of the Clintons: triangulation - "What would you like me to believe in?" - "Well than that's my position!"

It may work well in stump speeches, but once you have a national audience, not so much. Hillary just doesn't have the raw charisma to pull it off like Bill.

One last observation - Clinton keeps selling herself as the only candidate who can "stand up" to the inevitable right-wing attacks that will come during the general election. If this is true, why has she been completely unable to rein in her own surrogates so that the media doesn't have some sound bite scandal to focus on rather than her positions? 'Cause, trust me folks, when it comes to the general, these missteps will be played over and over again endlessly until most of the "independent middle" of the electorate just accepts it as truth.

The Lewinsky affair WAS a witch hunt. Any fair-minded liberal could see that. But you know what didn't help? That someone didn't have enough good sense NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN AN EXTRA-MARITAL AFFAIR! Apparently, Mrs. Clinton's political apple is still very close to Mr. Clinton's proverbial tree.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:10 AM

Waiting for Obama

to fire Jesse Jackson Jr. too, but no post in War Room about him having it both ways.

Tim Grieve = Obama Surrogate

He is part of the problem.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:11 AM

More of the same old double talk when yes means no

Just because she said it nicely doesn't mean she wasn't being dodgy. Once again, the clintons want it both way. It wasn't an earth shattering moment of great importance, but it is, again, more of the same from the Clintons. They constantly wrap themselves in a mantle of dishonesty...and that's why so many people are put off by them.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:12 AM

Enough already!

Didn't you get the message the candidates were trying to send? Stop! Stop the nit-picking, stop the one-upmanship, stop the clamor around race. This helps no one but Republicans. Obama has his own tracks to cover in this fiasco. If you're going to attack Hillary, then give equal time to the fingerprints of Obama. No one out there is helping his candidate by continuing this. Please, please stop!

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:21 AM

Stop stirring the pot.

Nobody wants any more of that cold soup.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 09:24 AM

Depends on What "Out of Bounds" Means, and Hillary's Double Talk

Thank you Tim. Because the issue is NOT over. Not if Hillary Clinton thinks she's going to get elected by people with half a brain.

Hillary Clinton wants to be president. And we are coming off of 8 years of a president who says/knows one thing, and then does another thing entirely. Seems Hillary has learned a thing or few from Dubya, AND hubby.

Let's face it.

There was NOTHING ambiguous about Johnson's comments. He was attacking Barack Obama, quite obviously, and his comments were snarky innuendo.

Hillary knows it.

The "thinking" public knows it.

Just like there was NOTHING ambiguous about the fact that there weren't any WMDs in Iraq, and any ethical, decent or moral Democrat should have voted against the war.

Hillary knows it.

The "thinking" public knows it.

But now we have Hillary, playing around with what "out of bounds" really means -- gee, where did she learn THAT semantic trick -- and what she really "knew".

She may want to rewrite history on a daily basis, but sorry...there are some of us who aren't partisan morons.

Hillary is, as some would say, peeing on our legs and telling us it's raining.

I am frankly sick to death of her underhanded, dirty politics, the game-playing, the rewriting and reinterpreting of everything so that things come out the way she wants them to -- after the fact.

Hillary Clinton is a Rovian, Lee Atwater-esque politician, and no amount of boo-hooing, "HEY LOOKIE HERE, see my soft side!" and "I'm for the little guy" crap will convince me otherwise.

Until recently, I was of the mind that I would vote for ANY Democrat nominated, even though I prefer Obama or Edwards.

I'm now at the point where I wonder if I can suppress my disgust enough to vote for her at all if, God forbid, she is the nominee, or if she is, if I would have to refrain from voting at all, an idea that horrifies me after the past 8 years...

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