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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
I guess Hillary doesn't realize that the ultimate manifestation of King's "Dream" and Johnson's pushing the Civil Rights Act would be a Black President. Her arguments of what previous White Men have done as president, to further civil rights only serves to reinforce this obvious fact.
I haven't chosen my candidate, yet (no one's addressing what may be considered my "one issue", restoring the Constitution), but Hillary's arguments aren't persuasive concerning civil rights. What's her stand on Civil Liberties, that affect us all?
I raised an eyebrow when I read that quote. It seemed dangerous and counters the image the Clinton machine usually tries to project. I'm glad someone is calling them on it.
No matter the source, I hate "say anything to get elected" politics.
not Johnson to King. That is a fair comparison.
The implication was: Black people may dream, but it takes us powerful white folks to get things done.
She may not have intended her remarks to come out that way, but they did.
I cannot imagine why she would even go there and suggest that LBJ was more important and did the the heavy work for the passage of the 1964 civil rights act.. LBJ was eating fried chicken in the white house while MLK was being hosed on american streets.
Hillary's dismissal of MLK was lethal even for a privledged white female and spouse of the so-called black president Bill Clinton.
BTW his failure to step up and offer an apology to his fellow Black americans is also quite revealing...
Had nothing whatsoever to do with Dr. King. It reflected the reality that Johnson had the background and experience to get the Civil Rights Act passed. It is an absolute truism that it took tremendous skill and political manuvering to get that Act passed through Congress. She is correct to point out that only someone with the long Congressional history that Johnson had could have pulled it off. How could this idea possibly reflect poorly on African-Americans or Dr. King? I'm truely curious.
Ahhhhhh, yes..... I was wondering if anyone would ever notice those comments by "the first black president" and his wife. The funny thing about Hillary's assertion is: She actually validates Obama's argument about how great words can inspire great deeds because it was Dr. King's speech that inspired Kennedy to ask for such a bill.
Also, by suggesting that the dream didn't become real until the passage of the Civil Rights Act, Hillary shows herself to be a bit naive about what the speech was really about. She seems to forget that The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King was first and foremost a gospel preacher; his speech was actually one of his greatest sermons about the need for a country that claims to be "one nation under God" to heal itself spiritually by overcoming its racial divisions. Are we there yet? I think not.
and hillary was also drawing the conclusion that obama has far less experience then Kennedy a historic figure that obama is also trying to subliminally mirror his persona after...stop with the free association with a by gone era folks...hillary just released the details of an economic stimulus package to show she has the chops to actually help the black vote, the woman vote, the youth vote and the over 40 vote.
she's got the chops, lets vote on the issues and forget what might be fashionable immediately this second.
She not only appears to say LBJ did more than Kennedy, but also that LBJ succeeded where JFK failed. She is comparing Obama to Kennedy, if you follow her logic, and saying Obama will not be as effective, like JFK was not as effective, that she is the true Washington power broker like LBJ.
Doesn't seem like a good campaign strategy, comparing your opponent to JFK, and inspiring orator, a young articulate telegenic candidate and an inspiring president. Yeah, his accomplishments might have been meager, but getting killed just as he had laid the groudwork for civil rights laws might have had something to do with it. Anyway, not too bright an idea to compare Obama to the still-beloved JFK, unless you are trying to help him get elected.
The more she tries to make her case by criticizing her opponent, the more she screws up. Hil's momentum will be short-lived. Make way for the new guy.
Sen. Clinton is right in saying that who the President is matters if you want to make progress. If Nixon had been elected in 1960, or Barry Goldwater in 1964, who knows how long it would have taken to make progress on Civil Rights.
I don't see how her saying that denigrated Rev. King or anyone else who fought for Civil Rights.
civil rights act than LBJ.
Let's accept your premise the statement had nothing to do with MLK, then why did Hillary go there??
One of my arguments is that like her so-called black president husband Bill when he was governor of AR and running for president he refused to commute a mentally ill black prisoner's death penalty to prove to white southern voters he would be tough on those coloreds and negroes.
Many in the south still have lingering discomfort after taking it on the chin becuase of MLK. Hillary's discounting of MLK was a tatic right out of Bill's playbook on how to court southern whites.
It was a bad play option by Hillary actually it was lethal given MLK and Southern Black voters who I recall really admired that guy..
If Mr. Clyburn decides to support Barack Obama it will not be based on those comments by Bill and Hillary Clinton but based on his own personal political leanings and proclivities. Hillary and Bill make a very valuable point about how people in positions of power and authority, such as the the President of the United States, have always been able to thwart the popular will of the people. Has Mr. Clyburn not witnessed the the past 7 years of this administration. When LBJ signed the voting rights act of 1964 it was a watershed moment for our country and shaped our current electoral and political map. Yes MLK and other civil rights activists were the catalytic forces the fueled the movement, but without the fortitude of an executive and to a lesser extent a legislature that was willing to convert the will of the people into law, it would not have happened. That's a fact!
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