The Clinton camp can't be seen as Politically Incorrect- that just wouldn't do- but some murky insinuations and half-accusations? It seems they think they can get away with that.

She's desperate as heck..thrilled she's going down.

DesMoinesRegister.com reported the following yesterday: "Clinton pollster Mark Penn said today the campaign has found no evidence tying recent push polls to any campaign."

See, http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/NEWS/71204006.

Is the email you say accused the Obama campaign by any chance the one that said, "Nothing says the politics of hope like telling people to go to the wrong caucus locations or getting a negative push poll call during dinner. … The Clinton campaign is setting up a dirty tricks hotline for people to phone in tips about unethical behavior from the Obama campaign?" That quote is from the same Register article and is described as the email sent out earlier that morning. That would be when you said you received the guilty email. That quote does not accuse the Obama campaign. Is there something else in the email that does. If so, what exactly does it say? I don't believe you actually quoted the email in your earlier post.

Glenn Greenwald's column would have 9 updates, 500 comments and three addenda about how Joe Klein is a big fat liar already.

I'm sure it's no fault of Mr. Grieve's, but I'm a little rattled by the phrase "accusing Obama of being a Muslim". Since being a Muslim is so far not a felony (or even a misdemeanor) in the United States (though this may quickly change), one cannot be accused of following Islam. Accusation requires a crime, you see, or my grasp of English is flawed.

(It will be difficult to find a phrase that quickly communicates how noxious these rumors are in the current atmosphere of xenophobia, but I think the effort is necessary, lest we quickly fall into thinking that Islam is a crime.)

The email message to which I refer is the one I quoted yesterday (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/12/04/hubdate/index.html), the one that said: "Nothing says the politics of hope like telling people to go to the wrong caucus locations or getting a negative push poll call during dinner. But that's exactly what the Obama campaign is doing to Hillary supporters in IA and NH, HRC's Patti Solis-Doyle warned in an email to supporters overnight."

Not the organized campaign. Has Obama fired his volunteer?

And if you think the ugly rhetoric is all from the Clinton side, go see Huffpost, or here.

You said:

The email message to which I refer is the one I quoted yesterday (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/12/04/hubdate/index.html), the one that said: "Nothing says the politics of hope like telling people to go to the wrong caucus locations or getting a negative push poll call during dinner. But that's exactly what the Obama campaign is doing to Hillary supporters in IA and NH, HRC's Patti Solis-Doyle warned in an email to supporters overnight."

That email does not directly accuse the Obama campaign. That email says that Patti Solis-Doyle accused the Obama campaign, when in fact she didn't say that. As you said, "But that's not, in fact, what Solis Doyle said in the e-mail that went out last night."

I hate to split hairs here, but you split hairs frequently. The email you quote above did not accuse Obama's campaign, Solin-Doyle's email did not accuse the Obama campaign, and the Register article reports that Clinton's campaign has said it found no connection between the push polls and any campaign.

Don't get me wrong. I don't approve of the email you quote above. It is inaccurate and a careless reader would take it as an accusation toward the Obama campaign. So Clinton's campaign can imply it, but deny it later. That is the story. In fact you never say that. What I don't understand is why you can not just point that out and move on instead of making it seem like you are waiting for something. It appears as if you are just trying to keep the story alive. You are not waiting for a statement that has already been made, yesterday.

And you rarely (I can not think of any time) criticize Obama, even when he says patently stupid things like Albright would not agree with Clinton's expertise in international relations. Where's the balance here? Obama is a carefully created pre-packaged myth, and everyone seems to be following for it. Meteoric rise my... Of course he's still better than any Republican. They are all carefully created pre-packaged nightmares.

Staffer #1: caught engaged in wrondoing. Fired appropriately.

Staffer #2: noted push polling in an email and accused the Obama campaign, perhaps without proof. Not fired. Also appropriate.

Someone is doing the push polling. If you were on Clinton's campaign, who would you look to? Obama, her major challenge, is the obvious culprit, of course. Duh. And this without the indside knowledge of those in the trenches of the campaigns who may have reason to make the conclusion.

Sometimes in politics you know the truth even in the absence of "proof." Or do you also scoff at the accusation that the U.S. Attorney firings were politically motivated for a similar lack of "proof"?

It is a great way for the Clinton campaign to put "Obama" and "Muslim" in the same sentence all over the press. Then they get to take credit for "firing" that volunteer. What a sham!

Aren't you one who was complaining that Salon is so pro-Hillary that it is just a shill for her campaign, and that you'd never be back? I seem to recall you saying,

And so, I bid you farewell. I'm going to spend my mid-morning break reading slate.com from here on out.

Uh, hate to tell you, but if you're looking for Slate, I don't think your browser is working right, dude.

and do the rejects show up in the presidential debates?

When are people going to realize that the are all the same. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely...