"Secondly, this government does not torture people. You know, we stick to US law and our international obligations."

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Liar #2 got impeached, why not liar #1?

The time is ripe!!! Don't wait for '08. Call and write your senators and representatives every day!!!

Coincidence? I have just finished reading the book that has been written by Murat Kurnaz, a Turco-German, released from Gitmo in August 2006 and conveyed to the US Ramstein base in menacles. Mr. Kurnaz had been declared INNOCENT since 2002, but kept in Gitmo all that time, beeing investigated questioned and TORTURED EVERY DAY. The title of the book in German :Fünf Jahre meines Lebens. Ein Bericht aus Guantanamo, publisher Rowohlt, Berlin.It has been translated into French: DAns l'enfer de Guantanamo, publisher Fayard, Paris. I hope it has also been translated into English.IF yes, grab it. If what this young man describes is not torture, then I don't know what is! Maybe, just maybe America dos not torture, but AMERICANS soldiers and officers surely do. BUSH and co, General Miller too should be arrested and thrown in gallows!BTW, they are still keeping a very old man 96 years-old: terrorist he?

Would you really buy a car from Dubba? Shouldn't impeachment proceedings against this gang in the White House really get started?

"I AM THE KING OF AMERICA

I LIKE TO SING AND DANCE

AND IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT

I WILL PUNCH YOU IN THE PANTS!!!! or TASER YOU, or THROW YOU INTO GITMO, or THROW YOU IN JAIL AND THROW AWAY THE KEY, or HAVE YOU ASSASSINATED BY THE SECRET SERVICE, THE C.I.A., or THE NSA!!!!!"

SO RANTED KING George CHIMPya W(ilhelm) Bush-HITLER, ECHOED by his MASTER, Torticola DICK-less B(ugger-Buchenwald) Cheney-HIMMLER. A NARCISSISTIC DRY-DRUNK PSYCHOPATHIC SOCIOPATHIC MESSIANIC MADMAN like Bush is ACTUALLY WORSE THAN HITLER and AN EVIL SCHEME-SPINNING DASTARDLY ROGUE AND HEARTLESS VILE CREATURE and BUCKET OF RUSTY-BOLTS like Cheney is ACTUALLY WORSE THAN HIMMLER. THE FACT REMAINS, THOUGH THAT THEY ARE NAZIS, FASCISTS, FASCIST-NAZIS, NAZI-FASCISTS, AND BOTH SHOULD BE BROUGHT BEFORE A FIRING SQUAD LIKE Nicolae Ceausescu and Elena his wife AND SHOT, EXECUTED, LIQUIDATED FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD!!!!!

...if the "procedure" is questionable, the "decider" should undergo said "procedure".

can we make this a reality TV show? long ago in a previous post i wanted it called "waterboarding dick cheney" featuring all members of congress that voted for the torture bill. and as i said then, let's start with my own senator debbie.

Hey, the Chimp sez it's not just terrorists we detain, question and (ahem) don't torture; it's extremists, too! Like all those nasty Democrats who want us to lose in Iraq, for instance. Aren't they extremists? Rush and Sean certainly think so.

Is anyone expecting George W. Bush to come out and say "Yes, you are right. I specifically ordered the CIA and our armed forces to break the laws of the Geneva Convention, and torture people".

Has anyone in the history of war crimes ever admitted that they were culpable for those crimes? I mean, really, these people are not going to simply admit their crimes and get out of town. That is the job of others (uh... who have obviously not been doing their jobs).

For the record: There were no WMD's. Iraq was not connected to Al Queda, the was no nuclear program, we were not greeted as liberators, and actual diplomatic solutions were rejected on the eve of war. Finally, one million, two hundred thousand people have lost their lives at a cost of about a trillion dollars borrowed from the future of the American people.

Is Congress waiting for the president to come forward and express his remorse for War Crimes, Crimes Against the Peace and Crimes Against Humanity? Come on folks, this is more serious then getting a blowjob during working hours.

So unless they are sure beforehand that "somebody" does NOT have information, they will torture. But they probably would not torture "somebody" they knew had no information, anyway, would they? Maybe they would, just to be thorough. What the heck?

What is clear is that Bush often does not come close to representing the facts of an issue. I can speculate that he knows he is lying but feels morally justified in doing so, but I don't know, I am not a mind reader. But is it such a stretch to believe that Bush thinks that torture will save innocent American lives, and torturing a few people here and there is morally justified, as well as the lying to cover it up, if it saves thousands? Never mind the fallacy that torturing anybody has never proven to save anyone except on a television spy show, but the only alternative to him being a conscious liar is that he enjoys being compulsively ignorant.

And here's my question to Bush and his protecting us mumbo-jumbo:

If our goverment maintaining unparalleled killing/torture security and military systems protects our health and safety, isn't it also a good idea for our government to maintain a sensible healthcare system that protects the health and safety of at least our children as well?

To make the outrageous claim that we are protecting Americans so soon after the murder of Carol Anne Gotbaum by Homeland Security thugs is pure irony. Mrs. Gotbaum is a 110 pound woman who was piled on by a half dozen police officers at the Phoenix airport. The scrum that killed her included her being handcuffed by a 200+ pound man leaning into his knee placed on her frail back. Is seems that it is not just terrorists, but also regular Americans who can expect Bush's "humane" treatment.

More details of the murder of Carol Anne Gotbaum can be found at:

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2007/10/carol-anne-gotbaum-victim-of-death-by.html

NYT discloses (yet another) memo advocating torture; Little Boots again says "we don't torture," which is literally true (someone else does it). Why do I get the feeling this story will be dead by Monday? Oh yeah, Britney's kids were taken away. Oooohhhh...