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Friday, August 17, 2007 12:00 AM

Kept out of the loop

John Ashcroft reportedly complained that the White House wouldn't let him know what he needed to know about warrantless wiretaps.

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Friday, August 17, 2007 06:08 AM

Everyone is a puppet

who really is the puppet master.

...not One individual certainly.

...these men are blackmailed by their past or their greed

...or just ignorant.(technically stooopid, don't you think?)

Friday, August 17, 2007 06:24 AM

The Puppetmaster - Bottom line, To all endowed with my Power;

"All peoples all nations all jay-walkers...

elbows on the floor, ass in the air...

or we will f**k you till you bleed...

if you're still alive we may even judicially dispose of you - as our whims shift in the breeze of of your chatter."

'The puppet master spoke; via text mssg, to all His supplicants.'

A--aaaaa-aaaa-aaaaa-MEN.....

Friday, August 17, 2007 06:44 AM

Rubber stamp

The following quote from Rep. Conyers, as printed in today's AP story concerning further details about this incident, really says it all:

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"Particularly disconcerting is the new revelation that the White House sought Mr. Ashcroft's authorization for the surveillance program, yet refused to let him seek the advice he needed on the program," Conyers, D-Mich., said in a statement.

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This White House isn't interested in anything but a rubber stamp for all of its policies. Ask no questions, just give your approval -- and that goes for everyone, including the Attorney General (who was "feeble, barely articulate, clearly stressed" during the visit to his bedside!), Congress, the courts and the press, but above all, the American people themselves.

You know, we really need to revise all of the civics and government courses taught in our schools to reflect the way things really ARE these days -- the old mantra about checks-and-balances, accountability, and limited government as defined by a written Constitution is SO yesterday. Gotta get with the 21st Century, folks...

Friday, August 17, 2007 07:06 AM

Trust has vanished

Throughout the first 6 years or so of the current administration, the scales kept falling progressively from my eyes. With each revelation of their duplicitousness and outright lies, I kept thinking they had made me so jaded that I could no longer be surprised by anything they might do. But time and again, they'd top themselves and I'd find myself newly shocked and upset with how they were undermining even the most basic notions of honesty required in governance.

No more. I read this post, and I feel nothing. Just a shrug of the shoulders and a dimissive thought, "Yes, this is to be expected."

And apparently such thinking is commonplace now among so called sober thinkers. Last week, Dan Froomkin reported that Anne-Marie Slaughter, the dean of the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University spoke seriously about the possibility that Cheney could be planning to attack Iran as a means of tilting public opinion in favor of a Republican presidential candidate. This is the sort of analysis that only fringe conspiracy theorists would put forward pre-Bush 43. It speaks volumes that the level of trust has fallen to the point that serious people who live and breathe policy in an academic setting don't dismiss such scenarios.

Friday, August 17, 2007 07:22 AM

Except that it takes two to Tango

They can put out all the wildassed conspiracy theories they like. If they don't find traction then everyone will laugh at them. But they don't laugh. There's weird underbelly to America that wants to see catastrophe and war as a justification for everything they hate about this country. Iran is a great example. If you only read Salon you'd be convinced that we're already at war with Iran.

Friday, August 17, 2007 08:32 AM

One has to wonder what changed President Cheney's mind

since that 1994 taped soliloquy about his exacting insights as to why Bush's daddy-o didn't do to Sadam what his son did. I don't buy that "he tried to kill daddy" crap for a second. It is much more pathological than that. I've come to realize that Jr. doesn't like his dad all that much. Nonetheless, after reading "anonymous' " posting I've come to realize that Salon must be a very scary vehicle for demanding truth otherwise the neocons wouldn't be having someone as articulate as this latest "guy" pouring-on the neocon vent. Old "Joe's" brand just didn't match-up as he/she never fact checked. Elephantman was a step-up but clumsy, and that Tiberius person was sloppy too. One only needs to see Joan Walsh on Hardball or speak truth to power on Olbermann to realize that Salon is a very dangerous vehicle to the neocon ethic and spin machine. Defending what clear thinking people are outraged by is so "Rush" and given the preponderance of conflicting and dangerously false evidence otherwise, stale.

Truth is hard to swallow but even harder to circumvent. Ashcroft, to me, was the ultimate in evil. Turns out he too was nothing more than a plaything to Cheney. So hearing he too was marginalized is creepy if not down right sobering. To read the posting and see some anomaly (to the clear thinking) named anonymous coldly describe liberal thinkers as paranoids flings neocon feces into the face of reason. I mean, come on! Man, when it surfaces that an ultra conservative like Ashcroft was useful only for his signature one needs to pause and rethink just what the hell is really going on.

Be ready to find even more articulate lemmings croping-up to post on Salon. They will do it only as free loading "guest posters", will become even more articulate, and will unwittingly begin to illuminate their plan for how they will pitch their crap nationally in the upcoming election cycle. It won't be pretty but it will be interesting. Especially as we get better at making our points because the oversight that began when the Dems took control of the Congress is getting better at unearthing the totality of Cheney's ideation to complete the coup d'état begun in 2000. It's all a bit scary, but so too were Nixon, Reagan and the vast multitude of DeLay-like surrogates and pundants placed by the neocons to carry Cheney's water.

We're on to you big guys. Let's see how we do in the match-up...

Friday, August 17, 2007 09:43 AM

Remeber Richard Clark?

Keeping the Attorney General out of the loop on wiretapping is like keeping the head of Counter Terrorism out of the loop on invading Iraq to fight terrorists!

Oh wait...

Friday, August 17, 2007 10:15 AM

Let Salon readers know, too, that those same notes contradicted Gonzales.

Hey, I read the most important part of that NYT article on Muellers notes. And from them it is clear Gonzales is lying about his visit to Ashcroft's hospital bed. Gonzales's version is a lie guilty of perjury. Period.

Also, Ashcroft was pressured by Gonzales and now we see why. He was left out of the loop, then needed, and, with an ego Ashcroft's size he must have been more than a bull in the china shop attacking wiretapping at every turn. Nothing worse than a Right Winger Scorned!!

That is until he fell ill and Bush & Cheney sicked their lapdog for legal matters on him.

But here's the real news of Mueller's notes. They motivated Rove's "retirement." That set of notes is THE smoking gun because it ties everything together. Everything. If Gonzales is trapped in a lie, and these notes prove he is, then all else said, involved, following, surrounding and planned and implemented is in question.

That, my friends, is one hell of a can of worms.

This Admin is going down...down...down!!!

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