...then his irony is WAY too subtle for this reader. Not one ounce of irony, humor or anything else a reasonably intelligent person could glean, at least from his latest posts.

In any case, there ARE people who truly believe what he's saying. And he (or others) can SAY that Democrats want to pull out of Afghanistan, or that they never wanted to go in in the first place.

There is, as I said and repeat now, NO EVIDENCE of this.

The IRS took in 48 Billion dollars on one day this month. At present spending levels that won't even pay for 6 MONTHS of this war. Not even 6 months! But no matter, Tiberius, we have people like you and John McCain. People who really know how to fight a war and have right on their side! People who will give their all to this administration, sacrifice your children and any others you can find. You guys didn't think much about this the first round, so let's not make that same mistake twice only to bitch about the left not understanding the situation at hand.....Give us numbers!

You and John McCain will need to send 400 thousand kids to do the job right. How much cash do you want to spend on this full on escalation Tiberius? Our present level of 200 MILLION a day barely holds what we have together. A BILLION a day, $365 BILLION a year? Think that will accomplish your goals?

You and John McCain will need to quadruple the number of ground troops to do the job right. A new Draft will take care of that.The draft will be welcome because all social spending will be cut for the war. Without a trust fund or a good lawyer, these kids won't have jobs or prospects so a draft won't be that big a deal.

I can't emphasize this enough Tiberius. We're going to be paying for this with double digit inflation so get your numbers right this time. How much more do you want to finish this war? Triple? Quadruple? Be realistic given the number of casualties that will need medical care. Don't try to pad the bill with an invasion on Iran, keep it in Iraq!

So once again, how much are you, John McCain, and your Republican kind willing to spend so Bush and Cheney can ride in a convertible with their heads held high on Veterans Day? Give a concrete dollar amount and the numbers of American young men and women you are willing to sacrifice to save Son of a Bush's face!

Now the real tough part-let's see if you and John McCain really have the balls to tell the American people, up front before the election, the sacrifice you expect them to make: we need to draft hundreds of thousands of their children over the next couple years, train them and ship them over to Iraq at a cost of a BILLION a day. All unnecessary social programs will be cut and if we can really do it without taxing the 1% richest Americans we will. After all, someone has to be alive to spend the profits.....

And you Republicans say WE on the left are being unreasonable when we say this madness needs to stop now. Stop blaming the left for your woes and really blame those who put us here in the first place with their lies.

Impeach Bush and Cheney! Tax the 1% to pay for this debt and GET US OUT NOW!

Hagel said to "sell shoes", not used cars...unless you were being funny...just sayin'.

Here are Obama and Edwards reacting to the passage of the Bring 'em Home Alive Bill:

Obama:

“We are one signature away from ending the Iraq War. President Bush must listen to the will of the American people and sign this bill so that our troops can come home.”...

“All of us have been touched by the heroic sacrifices troops have made in service to our country. With the stroke of a pen, President Bush can bring them home to the families who love them and to a country ready to give honor them for their service.”

Edwards:

"Today, the Senate passed a bill that would fund the war in Iraq while bringing the conflict to a close. Both Houses of Congress have now given voice to the will of the American people that we must end the war in Iraq. The President has said he will veto this legislation, which will defy the American people and deny our troops the funding they need. The President will be the one blocking support for our troops, not Congress. If the President does proceed on this stubborn path, Congress must not back down in a false game of chicken. They should send the same bill back to the President -- and should do this again and again, as many times as it takes for him to understand that the American people are right and the war must be brought to an end."

Edwards is bold -- the idea of just resubmitting the bill over and over is tough and correct. But look at Obama's use of words. He's done what those sonsabitches have been all too good at: framing the debate by clever phrasing and loaded vocabulary. Everyone in this country will now have in his or her mind that when Bush sits down with his pen and this bill, he's one signature away from ending the war. That's POWERFUL stuff. GoBama!

Read Tiberius' other emails. I believe he is being ironic and facetiously spouting the RW talking points. He does such a good job of impersonating the ridiculousness of trolls, he always seem to catch a few readers who need to respond.

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tiberius is too stupid to realize that the timetable has nothing at all to do with Afghanistan, but he thinks he' smart enough to know exactly what "they" are thinking. Maybe he's the one who should be appointed War Czar since ono one esle wants the job.

When did George Bush sprout a conscience about using a signing statement to wiggle out of any provision he doesn't like in a bill?

Is his reluctance tied to getting caught doing so?

This sudden respect for legislative process strikes me as cynical.