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Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:00 AM

The "gray area" that isn't

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:29 AM

Prepare for the Talking Points:

That say, "This is nitpicky. This is politics. Clinton did it with the phones."

The response: If it's nitpicky. If it's just politics. If you guys didn't do anything wrong, what have you got to hide?

Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:29 AM

Yeah...welll...

The Constitution says the right of habeas corpus shall not be denied but for limited cases and that doesn't mean jack squat.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:55 AM

Can we hang Karl yet?

You know he deserves it.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:56 AM

Worth it for the Republicans

Once again the trouble caused by being seen as covering up is considered less of a problem that it would be if the truth came out. For the Bushies deleting the messages is worth it even if someone gets nailed for doing it.

We can suspect all we want but as long as we can't prove anything the Bush Administration will consider it a win.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:23 PM

WTF

Are you serious?

Check Sandy Berger's socks for these emails.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:25 PM

That's all water under the bridge!

Let bygones be bygones!

That happened so long ago no one cares about it.

Give the guys a break, they are fighting the terrorists!

Those emails were private and now they are gone what are you going to do about, HUH???

How about that!?

EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE!

Democrats? What Democrats?

/The press will do nothing. Imus is more important right now.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:36 PM

RNC is Just Playing for Time

If the emails under question contained no evidence of illigal activies or were not themselves illigal because they used a non-government account for official business to bypass being eventually open to the public to read, then the RNC would have stopped at nothing to find to those emails. The RNC and Bush officials are well aware how bad this makes them look, and that it leads to the possiblity that Congress might end up subponening their email backups and go through them themselves if they don't produce something soon, which I would think is the last thing they would want.

My guess is that there is something pretty bad in those emails and the RNC is trying to figure out what is the least they can hand over and stop Congress from actually getting their hands on a whole lot more. I wonder who will be the next Presidential aide to take a bullet for Karl.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 01:01 PM

Don't hang Karl.

We aren't barbarians and it isn't that bad. Put Karl in prison. Make him do the perp walk. Make it a regular prison, not Club Fed. But don't dignify him by anything so grand as a hanging.

These guys, for six years, have been writing this fantastic narrative of their epic struggle. But you know what? They're just ordinary crooks and thugs. It's time to treat them as such. Jail is exactly right for them.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 01:07 PM

Likely reasons the RNC wants these emails kept secret.

1. There's a real smoking gun email indicating the president's involvement in or prior knowledge of the outing of Valerie Plame. These emails pre-date Bush's televised claims that he would fire anyone involved.

2. There is a chain of emails that exposes the Bush administration knew there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

3. Emails show that Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Cheney, and Bush sanctioned the abuse at Abu Gharib and Gitmo.

4. Emails show coordination between the RNC, the Bush WH, and the political hacks in New Hampshire who were indicted in the phone jamming voting scandal.

5. Emails detail how the Bush adminstration cycnically used terror alerts to change the national subject.

Feel free to add more.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 01:15 PM

When is there going to be a repercussion?

This is yet another instance in a continuing pattern of law breaking and gross obstruction and nothing continues to happen. So no one believes the administration spokes-weasels that the emails were "mistakenly" lost. Anyone with a brain knows that it's either a lie or that the emails were intentionally deleted. But where is the accountability?

There is as yet very little questioning going on about the very existence of a parallel communications system that is obviously intended to skirt at least two different laws and can have no other reason than enabling unlawful activity by administration hacks. But is there going to be any repercussion to this? Or will the administration just smirk and move on to the next lie?

Damn, I am sick of this.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 01:33 PM

It's even worse

Now it seems that the WH is admnitting that millions of email messages on the White House's own servers have gone missing.

I don't know why I'm shocked, but I am.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 01:50 PM

I see dead e-mails....

The MSM needs to relentlessly point out to any and all WH and other "Bushies" who are trying to spin this e-mail fiction that Congress is in possession of hard proof that the RNC e-mail system was being used to deliberately subvert the Presidential Records Act.

These people have had the limited intelligence or steroidal hubris to actually put in writing that they needed to use the RNC system in order to be able to do end-runs around ethics and the scrutiny thereof. Courtesy of Jack Abramhoff and Karl Rove's Susan Ralston, among others.

Where do they now get this ridiculous story of being overzealous in the use of the RNC system in their attempts to conform to the law? Somebody needs to talk to those doggone eager beavers, folks. They just got carried away and were overly cautious in trying to obey the letter of the law....

It's beyond unbelievable...but why don't reporters hammer them with it. They just keep reporting the drivel that is on the menu as "today's special lame excuse"

All I can say is...Leahy's bite had better be as good as his bark.

Thursday, April 12, 2007 03:12 PM

Hatch Act

I'm no Hatch Act expert (just recalling the hullabaloo Gore got himself into) but aren't executive branch employees required to do any and all political work off the public's dime. Doesn't the Hatch act prohibit partisan political activities, while on duty, or in a government office or vehicle. How do you avoid the penalites of the Hatch Act by using RNC computers/blackberries while you are working (a/k/a on duty) and sitting in a government office (a/k/a the White House or Executive building). I've read reports that these RNC computers are sitting in government offices next to the 'official' computer and these e-mails are being sent out from government offices while these executive branch employees are supposed to be (and are being paid for) the public's work.

I think the issue of the Hatch Act violations is not as important as the issue of where are the missing e-mails and what do they say, but is something I'm interested in hearing more about.

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